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09-07-2014, 04:53 AM
#5792
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,373
Ok, so year 4 is 3 dollars more. I'm not planning to be an FO by year 8, so anything past 4 is moot. Capt/LCC/Or Mainline by then for me. You are still subsidizing your captains across all acft types with $22 starting pay. It's not just you, it's a problem across board in year 1, even mainline.
Starting my 5th year and still not able to get any interview at LCC or Mainline.
3$ more is at least $3,000 more for the year. But that's ok because by then you will be in mainline.
09-07-2014, 05:49 AM
#5794
Happy at PDT
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 983
Darn right. Have you been to.any job fairs? Networking? Resume Service? Not being facetious, but we have 2 year FOs leaving for LCCs, mainline, and one even went to United. I'd rather do something on the side for the extra $3000, so I can add to my resume/portfolio. Personally, I did a lot of positioning before I came to the regionals, and put away a lot of earnings. Now I'm making that extra money tax-free, iinstead of worrying about a couple grand here or there on the taxable side. Remember friend, mainline is the goal, or LCC if you prefer. The rest of it down here is semantics and infomercials.
09-07-2014, 05:50 AM
#5795
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 201
09-07-2014, 05:58 AM
#5796
The NeverEnding Story
Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 7,609
Let's hop in the way way way back time machine and travel back to October 2003.
At that time, Chautauqua ratified a new CBA that was leaps and bounds better than their previous contract and better than the Mesa CBA signed months prior, but still lagged airlines like Comair and even Air Wisconsin's concessionary CBA that went into effect the same day.
In that Chautauqua CBA, FO pay was capped at four years. "But nobody will be an FO longer than four years!"
And for a while, that was the case. Upgrades ran roughly 24 months, with some 18 and a handful just over one year.
Then Age 65 and the Great Recession came, and the overwhelming majority of RAH FOs were stuck at Fourth Year pay.
Now PSA has and soon PDT will ratify contracts with 12/4 year caps, and we hear the rationalization that "We don't need FO pay beyond four years because of movement."
The definition of insanity is doing something the same way, expecting a different result.
Do pilots learn NOTHING from even recent history?!?
At that time, Chautauqua ratified a new CBA that was leaps and bounds better than their previous contract and better than the Mesa CBA signed months prior, but still lagged airlines like Comair and even Air Wisconsin's concessionary CBA that went into effect the same day.
In that Chautauqua CBA, FO pay was capped at four years. "But nobody will be an FO longer than four years!"
And for a while, that was the case. Upgrades ran roughly 24 months, with some 18 and a handful just over one year.
Then Age 65 and the Great Recession came, and the overwhelming majority of RAH FOs were stuck at Fourth Year pay.
Now PSA has and soon PDT will ratify contracts with 12/4 year caps, and we hear the rationalization that "We don't need FO pay beyond four years because of movement."
The definition of insanity is doing something the same way, expecting a different result.
Do pilots learn NOTHING from even recent history?!?
09-07-2014, 05:59 AM
#5797
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: N/A
Posts: 637
It's funny because it's mostly true. I don't know about 3rd year FO but we will be FOs at AA. Anyone who argues otherwise really has no clue about the impending hiring wave. People cite Eagle's experience with the flow to AA, which was during one of the biggest downturns in the industry and the global economy.
09-07-2014, 06:00 AM
#5798
Happy at PDT
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 983
Ah yes first year mainline pay. No pain, no gain, but you'll make it up next year. I really don't care about what plane we get or where we merge. Personally, I was hoping for the Q400 before all this mess, so I would just have to do differences training. I guess that ship has sailed...
09-07-2014, 06:02 AM
#5799
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: N/A
Posts: 637
Let's hop in the way way way back time machine and travel back to October 2003.
At that time, Chautauqua ratified a new CBA that was leaps and bounds better than their previous contract and better than the Mesa CBA signed months prior, but still lagged airlines like Comair and even Air Wisconsin's concessionary CBA that went into effect the same day.
In that Chautauqua CBA, FO pay was capped at four years. "But nobody will be an FO longer than four years!"
And for a while, that was the case.
Then Age 65 and the Great Recession came, and the overwhelming majority of RAH FOs were stuck at Fourth Year pay.
Now PSA has and soon PDT will ratify contracts with 12/4 year caps, and we hear the rationalization that "We don't need FO pay beyond four years because of movement."
The definition of insanity is doing something the same way, expecting a different result.
Do pilots learn NOTHING from even recent history?!?
At that time, Chautauqua ratified a new CBA that was leaps and bounds better than their previous contract and better than the Mesa CBA signed months prior, but still lagged airlines like Comair and even Air Wisconsin's concessionary CBA that went into effect the same day.
In that Chautauqua CBA, FO pay was capped at four years. "But nobody will be an FO longer than four years!"
And for a while, that was the case.
Then Age 65 and the Great Recession came, and the overwhelming majority of RAH FOs were stuck at Fourth Year pay.
Now PSA has and soon PDT will ratify contracts with 12/4 year caps, and we hear the rationalization that "We don't need FO pay beyond four years because of movement."
The definition of insanity is doing something the same way, expecting a different result.
Do pilots learn NOTHING from even recent history?!?
09-07-2014, 06:17 AM
#5800
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Position: Shiny One
Posts: 235
He is a "Brown" pilot. He's a good dude just posting his opinion here like the rest of us. Definitely going to have to do the mandatory retirements math though, and realize there's going to be a ridiculous amount of minimum hiring going on for 20+ years. I mean he's arguing over a 4 year pay rate for FOs. Ok so an FO ends up being in his seat for 7 years. That is maybe a 2-3 difference which at PSA means nothing when most pilots are flying at 125-150% override all the time. Looking at straight pay rates, and not the whole contract is not the way to do it.
PSA tops out at 41/hr. AWAC tops out at 46. [email protected] is 51.25. That's not even 1.txt critical pay. 51.25 beats 46 allll. Dayyy. Lonnnng.
It's like guys look at this the old way we figured pay rates by weight and speed. No. Its by profitability. The same with PSAs contract.
PSA tops out at 41/hr. AWAC tops out at 46. [email protected] is 51.25. That's not even 1.txt critical pay. 51.25 beats 46 allll. Dayyy. Lonnnng.
It's like guys look at this the old way we figured pay rates by weight and speed. No. Its by profitability. The same with PSAs contract.
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