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08-30-2014, 06:09 AM
#5391
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 41
We dont care about the airplanes, we care about the paycheck.
When you realize that, doesn't matter if you fly a 172 or a 747, what's matter is your QOL and pay.
Because at the end of the day, it's just a work. Why give away something like HEALTH INSURANCE!!! I didn't know you guys just pay around 15%, that's super cheap.
Remember...health insurance goes up every year and you guys will pay that increase + 20% more! That's just crazy...
But hey, do whatever you guys want . Like someone said, the whole industry is watching. The PSA guys are marked, even if nobody says nothing, everyone talks behind their backs. They will let them ride the JS, they will be polite to them, but people know what they did.
I went to the United FFD, and did not saw any PSA or MESA guy there, at least the day I was there. Coincidence?? I don't know.
All I say is that we at Envoy would help PDT if there's a merger if you guys hold the line. What 350 guys would do to our seniority list? Not that much.
Now, if you bring concessions to us, after we stand 3 times saying NO, then it will be a long battle. That's what Parker want, that's what he's planning. We are just the practice for his biggest fight...AA/USAir integration.
Don't fall for someone making $57,000 a day.
Again, it's your decision. Good luck
When you realize that, doesn't matter if you fly a 172 or a 747, what's matter is your QOL and pay.
Because at the end of the day, it's just a work. Why give away something like HEALTH INSURANCE!!! I didn't know you guys just pay around 15%, that's super cheap.
Remember...health insurance goes up every year and you guys will pay that increase + 20% more! That's just crazy...
But hey, do whatever you guys want . Like someone said, the whole industry is watching. The PSA guys are marked, even if nobody says nothing, everyone talks behind their backs. They will let them ride the JS, they will be polite to them, but people know what they did.
I went to the United FFD, and did not saw any PSA or MESA guy there, at least the day I was there. Coincidence?? I don't know.
All I say is that we at Envoy would help PDT if there's a merger if you guys hold the line. What 350 guys would do to our seniority list? Not that much.
Now, if you bring concessions to us, after we stand 3 times saying NO, then it will be a long battle. That's what Parker want, that's what he's planning. We are just the practice for his biggest fight...AA/USAir integration.
Don't fall for someone making $57,000 a day.
Again, it's your decision. Good luck
I got nothing to add to this.
08-30-2014, 06:13 AM
#5392
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 148
[QUOTE=JohnLocke;1715573]Yawn! Commutair has the same FO pay scale as you in fact higher first year pay, and yes you are
Oh good point, make sure you go to commutair because they have a higher first year pay rate, anything else better than our contract? Nope, rates on apc are from the old contract our captain rates are about 4-5 dollars higher than that I will post them if you like, plus we have a good contract for all the little things that add up.
If everyone is moving on to the majors anyway than why is everyone so worried about being capped at 95 per hour? That's not even high as our current 25 year pay rate goes and now you're there at 12 and you should be at a major long before that. Are people really crying about that because they want to be at a regional longer than 12 years?? Are you crazy? Even our senior pilots are for this deal and getting capped, our 25 year pay rate right now isn't that high now you're there at 12 but hopefully gone long before that, screw the regionals get your time and get out unless you have multiple duis you can do it. I'm not for this deal cause I don't like the flow, but the pay caps don't bother me that much even if the world crashes I can live on 95 per hour with our contract till I can move on. Don't forget we fly props now not jets this is a pay raise, if we flew jets right now this would be a weak deal but why turn down a pay raise
Oh good point, make sure you go to commutair because they have a higher first year pay rate, anything else better than our contract? Nope, rates on apc are from the old contract our captain rates are about 4-5 dollars higher than that I will post them if you like, plus we have a good contract for all the little things that add up.
If everyone is moving on to the majors anyway than why is everyone so worried about being capped at 95 per hour? That's not even high as our current 25 year pay rate goes and now you're there at 12 and you should be at a major long before that. Are people really crying about that because they want to be at a regional longer than 12 years?? Are you crazy? Even our senior pilots are for this deal and getting capped, our 25 year pay rate right now isn't that high now you're there at 12 but hopefully gone long before that, screw the regionals get your time and get out unless you have multiple duis you can do it. I'm not for this deal cause I don't like the flow, but the pay caps don't bother me that much even if the world crashes I can live on 95 per hour with our contract till I can move on. Don't forget we fly props now not jets this is a pay raise, if we flew jets right now this would be a weak deal but why turn down a pay raise
08-30-2014, 06:30 AM
#5393
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 134
[QUOTE=MrObvious;1715815]
It's tough to turn down a "raise". But this will effect the whole industry. Do what you think is best. Good luck.
Yawn! Commutair has the same FO pay scale as you in fact higher first year pay, and yes you are
Oh good point, make sure you go to commutair because they have a higher first year pay rate, anything else better than our contract? Nope, rates on apc are from the old contract our captain rates are about 4-5 dollars higher than that I will post them if you like, plus we have a good contract for all the little things that add up.
If everyone is moving on to the majors anyway than why is everyone so worried about being capped at 95 per hour? That's not even high as our current 25 year pay rate goes and now you're there at 12 and you should be at a major long before that. Are people really crying about that because they want to be at a regional longer than 12 years?? Are you crazy? Even our senior pilots are for this deal and getting capped, our 25 year pay rate right now isn't that high now you're there at 12 but hopefully gone long before that, screw the regionals get your time and get out unless you have multiple duis you can do it. I'm not for this deal cause I don't like the flow, but the pay caps don't bother me that much even if the world crashes I can live on 95 per hour with our contract till I can move on. Don't forget we fly props now not jets this is a pay raise, if we flew jets right now this would be a weak deal but why turn down a pay raise
Oh good point, make sure you go to commutair because they have a higher first year pay rate, anything else better than our contract? Nope, rates on apc are from the old contract our captain rates are about 4-5 dollars higher than that I will post them if you like, plus we have a good contract for all the little things that add up.
If everyone is moving on to the majors anyway than why is everyone so worried about being capped at 95 per hour? That's not even high as our current 25 year pay rate goes and now you're there at 12 and you should be at a major long before that. Are people really crying about that because they want to be at a regional longer than 12 years?? Are you crazy? Even our senior pilots are for this deal and getting capped, our 25 year pay rate right now isn't that high now you're there at 12 but hopefully gone long before that, screw the regionals get your time and get out unless you have multiple duis you can do it. I'm not for this deal cause I don't like the flow, but the pay caps don't bother me that much even if the world crashes I can live on 95 per hour with our contract till I can move on. Don't forget we fly props now not jets this is a pay raise, if we flew jets right now this would be a weak deal but why turn down a pay raise
It's tough to turn down a "raise". But this will effect the whole industry. Do what you think is best. Good luck.
08-30-2014, 07:18 AM
#5394
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: N/A
Posts: 637
For those that are trying to convince us to vote no, save your breath. It's going to pass by an embarrassingly large margin and there's really nothing you or I can say to change that. The fact that no one on here understood how senior our pilot group is proves to me you know nothing about our pilot group, so in my mind your opinion is worthless. To those saying that if we vote this down we will still have jobs, again you have proven zero knowledge of our pilot group, and the state of the aircraft we operate. So basically what I'm saying is, move on.
P.S., Can you tell your negotiating committee at Envoy to stop trying to take our mainline slots. Thanks.
P.S., Can you tell your negotiating committee at Envoy to stop trying to take our mainline slots. Thanks.
08-30-2014, 08:10 AM
#5396
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: N/A
Posts: 637
Now let's do some math!
Divide 36 by 320= .1125 or 11.25%
Divide 300 by 2650= .1132 or 11.32%
Understand what I'm getting at here? My guess based on your posts is probably not.
08-30-2014, 08:31 AM
#5398
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 2,450
Funny how they lump republic in as holding the line. Hahaha I remember all those FO's making 30k a year at PDT jumping ship to Republic to fly a shiny 175 for 15k a year? Really? Let the market play it's self out. If our deal is so bad then nobody will come here. They (republic) would jump all over this deal. Don't fool yourself.
08-30-2014, 08:42 AM
#5399
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Joined APC: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,707
But if you do the math, because management has, if you are sending 36 a year at AA/US you will never get the one added because you may have hired 125 pilots but sent 36 to AA/US so the overall gain is 89 (125-36). Management will say we only had a gain of 89 on the seniority list not 125. But you know US management better.
08-30-2014, 09:25 AM
#5400
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,373
Here we should be getting 50% of the classes, but in the agreement it says that they can withhold and send a minimum of 20 a month. How much do we lose to AA a month? 20. Don't get your pants wet, flow is for them to hold people in the regional with the hope to go to mainline SOME DAY.
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