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08-26-2014, 05:37 PM
#5251
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 2,035
I don't know who you work for but I fly with a lot of guys who worked for PSA. They flew 727's and 146's up and down the west coast. They all still live out there and commute, what little energy they have left after commuting to red eyes all month is spent on the "overnight", not worrying about the people HR is hiring.
Do your time, GTFO.
Guys, you need to realize once you move on no one gives a $#%^ where you came from. Everyone is just incredibly happy we are hiring more people!
This whole "bettering the industry" is a joke. It's never going to happen. There are more NewCo's, Silver's, Gojet's, etc. around the corner with zero longevity pay/vacation/benefits. Just as fast as they come, they also go. The smart guys realize the commuters have zero leverage and go in with eyes wide open.
How much per hour is the difference in first year pay at the worst regional vs. the best? Maybe $10/hr? In 2016 Meyers could be a 3rd year F/O making almost $160/hr on the 330. The amount of money we are talking about is "peanuts" and I mean that almost literally!
Use the commuters like they use you. Get in, get out.
Do your time, GTFO.
Guys, you need to realize once you move on no one gives a $#%^ where you came from. Everyone is just incredibly happy we are hiring more people!
This whole "bettering the industry" is a joke. It's never going to happen. There are more NewCo's, Silver's, Gojet's, etc. around the corner with zero longevity pay/vacation/benefits. Just as fast as they come, they also go. The smart guys realize the commuters have zero leverage and go in with eyes wide open.
How much per hour is the difference in first year pay at the worst regional vs. the best? Maybe $10/hr? In 2016 Meyers could be a 3rd year F/O making almost $160/hr on the 330. The amount of money we are talking about is "peanuts" and I mean that almost literally!
Use the commuters like they use you. Get in, get out.
With all the "advice" you've been spewing, one would assume you knew the difference between the PSA(that flew 727's and 146's), and the one being referred to by Pilot Crusader!
08-27-2014, 09:48 AM
#5252
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 131
Wow..can't believe to hear so many of you PDT guys willing to throw the profession under the bus. I understand academically why you are doing it, but for this thing to be trending yes is disappointing.
It would be interesting to see how the yes voters will feel if there was say some kind of event 6 months for now, i.e terrorist attack, another big financial conundrum then the economy tanks, AAG freezes hiring and they are stuck at a 5 or 6 year FO payscale for 10 years. I suppose realistically if it went down like that PDT would get shut down but still...think about all the guys you fellas have flown with that came to PDT 20 years ago who were just gonna stay for a few years, upgrade then off to the majors...
You are especially screwing future pilots that may try the PDT flow route then get stuck under that garbage agreement.
Flows are far from iron clad and LOC's for airframes are worth nothing without market growth..
Think this through guys..consider worse case scenario before you vote yes to ratify it. If you are not willing to work under this LOA for 10 years then don't pass it because that's damn well what may happen to you.
It would be interesting to see how the yes voters will feel if there was say some kind of event 6 months for now, i.e terrorist attack, another big financial conundrum then the economy tanks, AAG freezes hiring and they are stuck at a 5 or 6 year FO payscale for 10 years. I suppose realistically if it went down like that PDT would get shut down but still...think about all the guys you fellas have flown with that came to PDT 20 years ago who were just gonna stay for a few years, upgrade then off to the majors...
You are especially screwing future pilots that may try the PDT flow route then get stuck under that garbage agreement.
Flows are far from iron clad and LOC's for airframes are worth nothing without market growth..
Think this through guys..consider worse case scenario before you vote yes to ratify it. If you are not willing to work under this LOA for 10 years then don't pass it because that's damn well what may happen to you.
08-27-2014, 09:52 AM
#5253
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: DHC-8 100/300
Posts: 843
Wow..can't believe to hear so many of you PDT guys willing to throw the profession under the bus. I understand academically why you are doing it, but for this thing to be trending yes is disappointing.
It would be interesting to see how the yes voters will feel if there was say some kind of event 6 months for now, i.e terrorist attack, another big financial conundrum then the economy tanks, AAG freezes hiring and they are stuck at a 5 or 6 year FO payscale for 10 years. I suppose realistically if it went down like that PDT would get shut down but still...think about all the guys you fellas have flown with that came to PDT 20 years ago who were just gonna stay for a few years, upgrade then off to the majors...
Flows are far from iron clad and LOC's for airframes are worth nothing without market growth..
Think this through guys..consider worse case scenario before you vote yes to ratify it. If you are not willing to work under this LOA for 10 years then don't pass it because that's damn well what may happen to you.
It would be interesting to see how the yes voters will feel if there was say some kind of event 6 months for now, i.e terrorist attack, another big financial conundrum then the economy tanks, AAG freezes hiring and they are stuck at a 5 or 6 year FO payscale for 10 years. I suppose realistically if it went down like that PDT would get shut down but still...think about all the guys you fellas have flown with that came to PDT 20 years ago who were just gonna stay for a few years, upgrade then off to the majors...
Flows are far from iron clad and LOC's for airframes are worth nothing without market growth..
Think this through guys..consider worse case scenario before you vote yes to ratify it. If you are not willing to work under this LOA for 10 years then don't pass it because that's damn well what may happen to you.
08-27-2014, 09:55 AM
#5254
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 131
The LOA is an insult.
08-27-2014, 10:17 AM
#5255
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 208
Wow..can't believe to hear so many of you PDT guys willing to throw the profession under the bus. I understand academically why you are doing it, but for this thing to be trending yes is disappointing.
It would be interesting to see how the yes voters will feel if there was say some kind of event 6 months for now, i.e terrorist attack, another big financial conundrum then the economy tanks, AAG freezes hiring and they are stuck at a 5 or 6 year FO payscale for 10 years. I suppose realistically if it went down like that PDT would get shut down but still...think about all the guys you fellas have flown with that came to PDT 20 years ago who were just gonna stay for a few years, upgrade then off to the majors...
You are especially screwing future pilots that may try the PDT flow route then get stuck under that garbage agreement.
Flows are far from iron clad and LOC's for airframes are worth nothing without market growth..
Think this through guys..consider worse case scenario before you vote yes to ratify it. If you are not willing to work under this LOA for 10 years then don't pass it because that's damn well what may happen to you.
It would be interesting to see how the yes voters will feel if there was say some kind of event 6 months for now, i.e terrorist attack, another big financial conundrum then the economy tanks, AAG freezes hiring and they are stuck at a 5 or 6 year FO payscale for 10 years. I suppose realistically if it went down like that PDT would get shut down but still...think about all the guys you fellas have flown with that came to PDT 20 years ago who were just gonna stay for a few years, upgrade then off to the majors...
You are especially screwing future pilots that may try the PDT flow route then get stuck under that garbage agreement.
Flows are far from iron clad and LOC's for airframes are worth nothing without market growth..
Think this through guys..consider worse case scenario before you vote yes to ratify it. If you are not willing to work under this LOA for 10 years then don't pass it because that's damn well what may happen to you.
Even If this is passed, PDT will struggle to find people to work for them with 12/4 caps-look at endeavor as a prime example.
08-27-2014, 10:29 AM
#5256
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: DHC-8 100/300
Posts: 843
The jobs are going nowhere without a total economic downturn, they will only get picked up elsewhere. The industry isn't downsizing, its experiencing record profits and growth yet AAG wants PDT to take their third concessionary contract...absolutely ridiculous!
The LOA is an insult.
The LOA is an insult.
08-27-2014, 10:32 AM
#5257
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2011
Position: Airbus button pusher
Posts: 2,448
You guys need to vote for what's best for yall. When I was at colgan and we were voting all the regionals people were licking their chops for more Delta flying. Then they complained that we didn't fall on our own swords for them. Granted yall aren't in bankruptcy like we were but the point is ignore all the trolls. Do what u want.
08-27-2014, 10:56 AM
#5258
Happy at PDT
Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 983
You guys need to vote for what's best for yall. When I was at colgan and we were voting all the regionals people were licking their chops for more Delta flying. Then they complained that we didn't fall on our own swords for them. Granted yall aren't in bankruptcy like we were but the point is ignore all the trolls. Do what u want.
Yes, the argument against us really is that juvenile...
08-27-2014, 11:24 AM
#5259
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 394
Unions are broken. There is no unity amongst pilots.
The "As long as I get mine" attitude permeates the industry. I thought we had turned a corner with the last 3 votes, but it appears I was wrong.
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The "As long as I get mine" attitude permeates the industry. I thought we had turned a corner with the last 3 votes, but it appears I was wrong.
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