PDT News and Rumors
08-25-2014, 02:30 AM
#5161
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 3,011
Absorbed into AA? If only. AA now has 11 feeders flying under the "American eagle" brand. They would more than likely spread the flying across the board. Plus, where do you think 2200 pilots are going to go? Most would have to go to other regionals. And more than likely, they'd end up flying Eagle paint again.
So yeah, envoy folding is kind of a big deal to 2200 of us.
So yeah, envoy folding is kind of a big deal to 2200 of us.
Yeah I know its a big deal to 2200 of you but Envoy is so top heavy there doesn't appear to be any workable solution that allows Envoy to survive in the long run other than maybe merger.
08-25-2014, 02:41 AM
#5162
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Posts: 99
08-25-2014, 03:34 AM
#5163
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Posts: 264
My take after reading the language of this TA.
Pros:
-Flow (especially for those who want to go to a legacy carrier but couldn't because either they didn't have a college degree or didn't fit the BS hiring profile)
- There's some commitment to a future by AAG for PDT pilots
- mods to CBA only happen with jets, we get flow from DOS regardless
Cons:
-Pay scales are cut and paste of PSA large RJ rates
-Pay caps at 12/4 with no grandfathering scales for jets, only for the dash which won't be around in 3-4 years anyway
-healthcare rates jacked up
-vacation goes to 4.2 hrs per day instead of pay for dropped trip, in most cases you will lose a few hours of pay per slot over this.
-sick acrual 3.5 per month instead of 4
-the fact we are doing the opposite of stopping the whipsaw and piling on damage done to the regional industry by the likes of PSA, Endeavor, GoJets, Republic and the likes.
-the chance that AAG will transfer Envoy a/c (145s) to piedmont in the interim
of 175 deliveries to get us started on our CBA mods and to get jets on the operating cert.
That said, I'm fairly confident this TA will pass with over 70% in favor.
Pros:
-Flow (especially for those who want to go to a legacy carrier but couldn't because either they didn't have a college degree or didn't fit the BS hiring profile)
- There's some commitment to a future by AAG for PDT pilots
- mods to CBA only happen with jets, we get flow from DOS regardless
Cons:
-Pay scales are cut and paste of PSA large RJ rates
-Pay caps at 12/4 with no grandfathering scales for jets, only for the dash which won't be around in 3-4 years anyway
-healthcare rates jacked up
-vacation goes to 4.2 hrs per day instead of pay for dropped trip, in most cases you will lose a few hours of pay per slot over this.
-sick acrual 3.5 per month instead of 4
-the fact we are doing the opposite of stopping the whipsaw and piling on damage done to the regional industry by the likes of PSA, Endeavor, GoJets, Republic and the likes.
-the chance that AAG will transfer Envoy a/c (145s) to piedmont in the interim
of 175 deliveries to get us started on our CBA mods and to get jets on the operating cert.
That said, I'm fairly confident this TA will pass with over 70% in favor.
I haven't read the language yet. Does it say something about our 145's getting transferred?
08-25-2014, 04:41 AM
#5164
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: N/A
Posts: 637
Nope, I can just see that as a likely possibility. AAG is looking for more scare tactics to try and bring Envoy crawling back to the table. What better way to do that then to start transferring equipment off property. I'm telling you, it's coming. Either way I doubt Envoy will furlough because of it.
08-25-2014, 04:55 AM
#5165
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,373
My take after reading the language of this TA.
Pros:
-Flow (especially for those who want to go to a legacy carrier but couldn't because either they didn't have a college degree or didn't fit the BS hiring profile)
- There's some commitment to a future by AAG for PDT pilots
- mods to CBA only happen with jets, we get flow from DOS regardless
Cons:
-Pay scales are cut and paste of PSA large RJ rates
-Pay caps at 12/4 with no grandfathering scales for jets, only for the dash which won't be around in 3-4 years anyway
-healthcare rates jacked up
-vacation goes to 4.2 hrs per day instead of pay for dropped trip, in most cases you will lose a few hours of pay per slot over this.
-sick acrual 3.5 per month instead of 4
-the fact we are doing the opposite of stopping the whipsaw and piling on damage done to the regional industry by the likes of PSA, Endeavor, GoJets, Republic and the likes.
-the chance that AAG will transfer Envoy a/c (145s) to piedmont in the interim
of 175 deliveries to get us started on our CBA mods and to get jets on the operating cert.
That said, I'm fairly confident this TA will pass with over 70% in favor.
Pros:
-Flow (especially for those who want to go to a legacy carrier but couldn't because either they didn't have a college degree or didn't fit the BS hiring profile)
- There's some commitment to a future by AAG for PDT pilots
- mods to CBA only happen with jets, we get flow from DOS regardless
Cons:
-Pay scales are cut and paste of PSA large RJ rates
-Pay caps at 12/4 with no grandfathering scales for jets, only for the dash which won't be around in 3-4 years anyway
-healthcare rates jacked up
-vacation goes to 4.2 hrs per day instead of pay for dropped trip, in most cases you will lose a few hours of pay per slot over this.
-sick acrual 3.5 per month instead of 4
-the fact we are doing the opposite of stopping the whipsaw and piling on damage done to the regional industry by the likes of PSA, Endeavor, GoJets, Republic and the likes.
-the chance that AAG will transfer Envoy a/c (145s) to piedmont in the interim
of 175 deliveries to get us started on our CBA mods and to get jets on the operating cert.
That said, I'm fairly confident this TA will pass with over 70% in favor.
I haven't read the language yet. Does it say something about our 145's getting transferred?
Woohoo!!!
08-25-2014, 06:20 AM
#5168
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Joined APC: Sep 2009
Position: N/A
Posts: 637
Exactly. This LOA language makes it sound like AAG doesn't have a plan for Piedmont and that possibly in the distant future we'll get jets. I think this is just masking their real intension to transfer Envoy aircraft. They know our TA has less of a chance of passing if we are voting on blatant aircraft theft and career destruction at Envoy. This is just my opinion but I heard a bunch of rumors of training meetings. We already have a 145 training program ready to go from the old US Air Jets 4Jobs program. I'm telling you it's all ready to go, as soon as the TA passes you'll see them start to execute this plan.
08-25-2014, 07:24 AM
#5169
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Position: EMB-145 CA
Posts: 983
Exactly. This LOA language makes it sound like AAG doesn't have a plan for Piedmont and that possibly in the distant future we'll get jets. I think this is just masking their real intension to transfer Envoy aircraft. They know our TA has less of a chance of passing if we are voting on blatant aircraft theft and career destruction at Envoy. This is just my opinion but I heard a bunch of rumors of training meetings. We already have a 145 training program ready to go from the old US Air Jets 4Jobs program. I'm telling you it's all ready to go, as soon as the TA passes you'll see them start to execute this plan.
08-25-2014, 07:30 AM
#5170
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: PNF
Posts: 622
If you vote yes to this slum TA a couple things will happen:
Pros:
1. You WILL get 40 E175s. I guarantee it.
2. You will actually keep the dash for a bit until another turboprop enters the market. It will more than likely be a smaller fleet though. You are the only turboprop carrier for american. Cost efficency for small markets is the key to success and Parker realizes this.
Cons:
1. You will continue to degredate the industry. Confirming the truth that pilots will step all over each other to get "ahead" when the truth is networking and keeping touch with your co-workers is the key to a major.
2. You will get significant negative feedback from the XJT, envoy, and republic groups. Remember... we WiLL be your co-workers in the future. We don't want to make it a long trip...
3. Your flow can be: metered, loopholed,you name it. Post the language of this and I can find a way around it.
I will personally buy a beers for any PDT crew I come across if you vote no.
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