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Old 07-30-2012, 04:45 AM
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US Air wants 1/3 of their classes filled with Piedmont/ PSA pilots. What do you guys want? A job without an interview? I think it is fair to provide preferential interviews to the wholly owned carriers. Not a job.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by FLYING HIGH
Because He is already saving a lot of money with the people who is still single-engine taxing
Whats single-engine taxi?
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by PDTpilotXX
I appreciate your efforts as much as any other line pilot here. We are treated worse then any other pilot group in the industry and we deserve better. How you'd divide the pilot group... putting our negotiating committees final offer out you'd negotiate now not only with the company but with the pilot group. Guaranteed to create division. Also, negotiating in public is a very fast way to get put on ice by the NMB I've heard.
I trusted the negotiating committee to represent us until I found out they rolled over and died on rigs. This raises questions for me on whether they are negotiating in our best interests. They are representatives, not lone rangers. When they begin negotiating what they think is best and not what the pilot group as a whole thinks is best, we have a problem. I am bringing this up now, so when a TA does go out for vote, the pilot group doesn't go ballistic on the N.C. How is sending another questionnaire out saying this is where we are concentrating our efforts, what do you think, negotiating in public? I don't want know what the actual rig would be, thats why I voted for representatives. What I do want to know is that they are trying to negotiate rigs. Some pilots want $$, some want QOL. Rigs are a way to get both, and not trying to negotiate them, sir, is ignorant. (especially with the new rest rules coming up)

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No Duty Rigs, airplanes, and flow.... and you're an automatic no vote? considering we have zero say in USairways fleet plans, their pilot union won't talk flow through, Rigs? Our payroll can't figure out the crap we have now rigs would be a constant nightmare. I'd say you're a no vote. Guaranteeing a no vote in public based on things that are virtually impossible is just ignorant.
Zero say in US Airways' fleet plans? How about negotiating a min fleet size? Oh wait, that is innovative at the regional level . . . better tuck our tails and stay away from that one.

The new rest rules are going to further destroy any efficiency at Piedmont. You think the schedules are bad now? Just wait. This company has proven if its legal, they will do it. Every pilot will have min days off. Every pilot will enjoy 350-450 hrs away from base each month. Enjoy your 18-24 hour overnights at our exotic destinations. Credit hours? That will remain right where it is. So, yes, if we don't improve min days off and get rigs, I will try to shut this place down before I vote yes on that TA. You think we should go silently into the night with a dying, shrinking fleet, no replacements, and no flow through? (WHICH WE ALREADY NEGOTIATED) Are you serious?

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WE NEED NEW MANAGEMENT MORE THEN WE NEED ANYTHING ELSE. STEVE IS THE PROBLEM. Follow our current contract, lets get some $$ and QOL.
New management? Yeah, that is way more realistic than getting flow which we already negotiated last time around. Also way more realistic than getting replacement/growth aircraft. (We are the new bottom feeder, and what do bottom feeders get? New aircraft.) If you really want to oust S.F, try standing up for what we deserve, whether you think its realistic or not. Set the bar high, so we have something to negotiate down to. If the picket line turns into an unemployment line, so be it. At least S.F. will get the big F.U. message from us. There are those that will try to save their job no matter what, and that is their prerogative. If they want to settle, no one can change their mind. However, there are others that are not willing to take more abuse from the company. There are some that have lives, have families outside of work, and have dignity. That is why, if I don't have the opportunity to vote on a industry leading TA, I'm out. Its not ignorance, its self respect. I am well aware that setting the bar high can end with the loss of all our jobs. For me, taking that chance is worth it, and I know I'm not the only one.

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Old 07-30-2012, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BLEEDBLACKNGOLD
US Air wants 1/3 of their classes filled with Piedmont/ PSA pilots. What do you guys want? A job without an interview? I think it is fair to provide preferential interviews to the wholly owned carriers. Not a job.
I would agree if we hadn't negotiated flow through. If it is not going to be honored, then fine, interview us, BUT, all those concessions we gave? Time for a snap back, with back pay.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:38 AM
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The new rest rules are going to destroy efficiency at Piedmont.

That is the funniest s&$t I've heard in awhile. Efficiency is long gone, unless you work under Jim Schmuck and write 14.5 hour 4-days. 2 legs and go to the hotel before 10 a.m. 12.5 hours duty, 7 legs, 5.7 hours pay.

The end is near. Probably 2014 which is when they offered to give us 75% deadhead pay.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:05 AM
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You just keep on being part of the solution FTM.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BLEEDBLACKNGOLD
US Air wants 1/3 of their classes filled with Piedmont/ PSA pilots. What do you guys want? A job without an interview? I think it is fair to provide preferential interviews to the wholly owned carriers. Not a job.
Piedmont pilots want what is in their contract. What they agreed to, in taking concessions. That is what is fair.
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Old 07-30-2012, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by FixTheMess
Zero say in US Airways' fleet plans? How about negotiating a min fleet size? Oh wait, that is innovative at the regional level . . . better tuck our tails and stay away from that one.
Min fleet size doesn't mean anything. It was tried and failed at Comair. We had a min fleet size, which Delta honored. Unfortunately, most of our fleet sat idle in remote parking with very little utilization. Fleet size means nothing if the airframes aren't being used. What you need is a min block hour guarantee. It's all about aircraft utilization and block hours, not fleet size. Comair proved that one.
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot
Min fleet size doesn't mean anything. It was tried and failed at Comair. We had a min fleet size, which Delta honored. Unfortunately, most of our fleet sat idle in remote parking with very little utilization. Fleet size means nothing if the airframes aren't being used. What you need is a min block hour guarantee. It's all about aircraft utilization and block hours, not fleet size. Comair proved that one.
Very good point.
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Old 07-30-2012, 04:59 PM
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Your min fleet size language would have no teeth anyway unless Tempe is a party to the CBA. Presently they aren't. Highly doubtful they ever would be.
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