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06-02-2012, 11:06 AM
#3571
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Upright
Posts: 605
What is the deal with the latest info on our ATP program requiring some weird 8060-7 form?
From the PDT training page: "As was mentioned in the first ATP FIL, the FAA has notified us that an ATP-Knowledge Job Aid-Airplane form must be filled out and signed by an FAA Inspector prior to taking the written for the ATP. The job aid is used prior to signing a FAA Form 8060-7."
"“Before an applicant may take the airline transport pilot (ATP) knowledge examination, however, an inspector must establish that the applicant is eligible for the requested certificate in either the airplane or rotorcraft category."
Umm...just wondering, but since when do you need to be eligible for the certificate and have a sign off before taking the ATP written? I have a lot of friends who have taken it without a signoff. Is this something special for our weird program?
Went on the FAA's website and according to their "Knowledge testing authorization requirements matrix": "Acceptable form of authorization for ALL tests listed above (except ACP): NO instructor endorsement or other form of written authorization is required for an initial attempt. (14 CFR §§61.153(f), 63.51, and 65.53)
From the PDT training page: "As was mentioned in the first ATP FIL, the FAA has notified us that an ATP-Knowledge Job Aid-Airplane form must be filled out and signed by an FAA Inspector prior to taking the written for the ATP. The job aid is used prior to signing a FAA Form 8060-7."
"“Before an applicant may take the airline transport pilot (ATP) knowledge examination, however, an inspector must establish that the applicant is eligible for the requested certificate in either the airplane or rotorcraft category."
Umm...just wondering, but since when do you need to be eligible for the certificate and have a sign off before taking the ATP written? I have a lot of friends who have taken it without a signoff. Is this something special for our weird program?
Went on the FAA's website and according to their "Knowledge testing authorization requirements matrix": "Acceptable form of authorization for ALL tests listed above (except ACP): NO instructor endorsement or other form of written authorization is required for an initial attempt. (14 CFR §§61.153(f), 63.51, and 65.53)
This is a new one on me. I got my ATP in '07. All I had to do was take the written, do a few hours in the airplane until the instructor was satisfied, then take the checkride. None of this other bull.
06-02-2012, 03:42 PM
#3572
Don't need that HUD!
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: B777/B787 - Flight Test
Posts: 318
What I find even more interesting is farther down in the February 2012 "Knowledge testing authorization requirements matrix"; about page 6 or so; where it mentions the written testing for flight engineers:
FAA Form 8060-7, Airman’s Authorization for Written Test, cancelled effective 7/6/00
From what I can tell, there isn't even a current Form 8060-7 that the feds could have you download from their own website even if this was a current requirement.
http://www.faa.gov/forms/
FAA Form 8060-7, Airman’s Authorization for Written Test, cancelled effective 7/6/00
From what I can tell, there isn't even a current Form 8060-7 that the feds could have you download from their own website even if this was a current requirement.
http://www.faa.gov/forms/
Last edited by trent890; 06-02-2012 at 04:17 PM.
06-02-2012, 04:51 PM
#3573
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: Dash 8
Posts: 30
What I find even more interesting is farther down in the February 2012 "Knowledge testing authorization requirements matrix"; about page 6 or so; where it mentions the written testing for flight engineers:
FAA Form 8060-7, Airman’s Authorization for Written Test, cancelled effective 7/6/00
From what I can tell, there isn't even a current Form 8060-7 that the feds could have you download from their own website even if this was a current requirement.
FAA Forms
FAA Form 8060-7, Airman’s Authorization for Written Test, cancelled effective 7/6/00
From what I can tell, there isn't even a current Form 8060-7 that the feds could have you download from their own website even if this was a current requirement.
FAA Forms
If you scroll down to the bottom of frmrdashtrash's "Chapter 2" link above, you can see a copy of 8060-7 presented, but it seems to be as an example and I can't find any sort of official download link either. When I (re)took my ATP Written, I had not noticed this requirement and they never asked for any sort of form (8060 or otherwise). Nor does the "Airman Knowledge Test Report" have any sort of ICAO restriction listed. So, I'm inclined to agree with your research suggesting that the requirement no longer exists.
If PDT/BWI are 12 years out of date regarding the requirements for this program, how many more changes do you think they'll throw at us before it goes into effect later this month?
06-03-2012, 11:29 AM
#3574
Don't need that HUD!
Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: B777/B787 - Flight Test
Posts: 318
If you scroll down to the bottom of frmrdashtrash's "Chapter 2" link above, you can see a copy of 8060-7 presented, but it seems to be as an example and I can't find any sort of official download link either.
If PDT/BWI are 12 years out of date regarding the requirements for this program...
If PDT/BWI are 12 years out of date regarding the requirements for this program...
06-03-2012, 11:49 AM
#3575
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: Upright
Posts: 605
I would call another FSDO and ask someone there. BWI seems to have their head somewhere smelly. If they confirm this is crap, confront the source of this ridiculous info. If she holds firm, start going up the food chain. You're not calling them about anything company related so I don't think they'll have a beef with it.
06-10-2012, 02:25 AM
#3579
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Joined APC: Oct 2011
Posts: 127
So anyone know what PDT has up their sleeve by hiring at 600TT with no Multi mins?
When I got hired all that was required was a commercial license with a multi engine add on, no minimum multi time. I'm assuming by hiring with 600TT that they're hoping they'll get enough time to meet the ATP requirements by next august, in my opinion
06-10-2012, 05:23 AM
#3580
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Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: CRJ
Posts: 109
My friend who just interviewed with ~800tt was told not to worry because there is going to be that provision for grads of big flight schools/colleges. At least from my understanding that has only been talked about, not in the rules as of yet. Hope that isn't really their plan..
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