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Old 09-29-2011, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyinhawaiian
You don't need 250 PIC to hold an ATP

- 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof
Luckily I don't have to worry about this, but when are you as an SIC performing the duties of the PIC?
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:15 PM
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Anyone know if there are many people that dont have the 250 PIC? I know of one guy who only has 180 PIC. I couldnt imagine going out and trying to buy 70 hours of 172 time.
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dashtrash300
Please review the requirements to hold an ATP including the requirement for 250 hours of Pilot
in Command time, night experience and instrument experience.
If you have any questions please contact the Training department or Chief Pilot’s office for[/LEFT]
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Why would they mention this if you could just use the supervision loophole?
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:22 PM
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Apparently there are enough to warrant an FIL about it
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Old 09-29-2011, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by piper338
Luckily I don't have to worry about this, but when are you as an SIC performing the duties of the PIC?
At Piedmont, the SIC never performs the duties and functions of the PIC.

If you are the SIC on a 3 man crew relieving the PIC, or you are on a captain IOE ride, you would be the SIC performing the duties and functions of the PIC.
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Originally Posted by rustypigeon
At Piedmont, the SIC never performs the duties and functions of the PIC.

If you are the SIC on a 3 man crew relieving the PIC, or you are on a captain IOE ride, you would be the SIC performing the duties and functions of the PIC.

Thanks, that is what I thought... I think some confuse this with something else.
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So I guess the key is for those that don't have the PIC time your only way to be okay by 2013 is to upgrade or build the time on your own.
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:31 PM
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With the regulation changes that occurred in August 2010 the loophole is closed shut. To obtain an ATP you must have the 250 hours of PIC time. If you do not have an ATP as of August 2013 you can no longer fly as a 121 pilot. Nice while it lasted.
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Old 09-29-2011, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OneEye
With the regulation changes that occurred in August 2010 the loophole is closed shut. To obtain an ATP you must have the 250 hours of PIC time. If you do not have an ATP as of August 2013 you can no longer fly as a 121 pilot. Nice while it lasted.
So will the company start giving people an ATP who are already there?
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Old 09-29-2011, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyinhawaiian
You don't need 250 PIC to hold an ATP

- 250 hours of flight time in an airplane as a pilot in command, or as second in command performing the duties of pilot in command while under the supervision of a pilot in command, or any combination thereof
This may be true, but only if you are eligible to log the PIC in the first place.

I think (and I may be way off here) that the intent is to allow pilots who are actually flying from the right seat to be able to count that time towards their ATP requirement if they're rated in the plane. You're not able to "act as PIC" under the supervision of a PIC if you're not rated in the aircraft.

For example, if you were SIC in a plane that did not require a type rating but did require 2 pilots for the operation (like maybe at Cape Air or something) then you could log your SIC legs towards your 250 PIC requirement. This would be the case for Cape Air FO's because you are acting as "...sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated..." Since all the FO's at Cape Air would have their Comm MEL rating, they're rated for the a/c and are the pilot flying (can count their PF SIC as PIC for this purpose). At PDT, our SIC's are obviously not typed in the DHC-8 so you wouldn't meet the "for which the pilot is rated" part of the regs.

Maybe I'm wrong though, this is just my interpretation. I do admit this is kind of confusing.
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