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03-27-2017, 01:13 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 669
Jr base is PHL. It's the only base for new hires. Only hiring for the 145. QOL is what you make of it. Schedule is very flexible…as long as you like 4 on 2 off, so it's up to you to be flexible with that schedule!!! It's not a legacy, suck it up and deal with it if you want to have a better schedule the rest of your career!!!
03-27-2017, 01:13 PM
Mx Delay
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 137
As a new hire you will be on the jet, I don't think we even have reserve lines on the jet meaning you will hold a line immediately.
Prior 121 depends how much flight time you have, if 1000 hours you just need to complete training including SPE (first 40 cycles) then bid. So about 3-5 months. There are some training delays currently.
The flow times can be under 4 years with really good circumstances this is mainly based on growth and when you hop on. We don't know what our final target is in terms of pilots and planes but we do know it's a lot more then currently on property. The more the number goes up the faster we flow. Flows have historically been used as carrots and have not proven quick but this flow does seem more promising.
Prior 121 depends how much flight time you have, if 1000 hours you just need to complete training including SPE (first 40 cycles) then bid. So about 3-5 months. There are some training delays currently.
The flow times can be under 4 years with really good circumstances this is mainly based on growth and when you hop on. We don't know what our final target is in terms of pilots and planes but we do know it's a lot more then currently on property. The more the number goes up the faster we flow. Flows have historically been used as carrots and have not proven quick but this flow does seem more promising.
Now, the flow is real, and who knows how attrition will work out going forward, but 3-5 years? I don't think that's very realistic. I'm not Rainman, but the math above is probably the most realistic best-case I can think of. And even then, it's the best possible scenario. I'd say, plan on about 5-7 years to flow as a new hire at this stage in the game. But that's just me.
03-27-2017, 02:41 PM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 174
For a new hire, I would say less than a 5 year flow is extremely unlikely. If you are the 600th pilot on property, and you assume the top 150 don't flow (currently top 100 are marked 'No'), AND you assume we eventually reach 7/mo in the flow (our pilot group would have to be at 850)...it's still a 5+ year flow by the numbers.
Now, the flow is real, and who knows how attrition will work out going forward, but 3-5 years? I don't think that's very realistic. I'm not Rainman, but the math above is probably the most realistic best-case I can think of. And even then, it's the best possible scenario. I'd say, plan on about 5-7 years to flow as a new hire at this stage in the game. But that's just me.
Now, the flow is real, and who knows how attrition will work out going forward, but 3-5 years? I don't think that's very realistic. I'm not Rainman, but the math above is probably the most realistic best-case I can think of. And even then, it's the best possible scenario. I'd say, plan on about 5-7 years to flow as a new hire at this stage in the game. But that's just me.
03-27-2017, 06:08 PM
Mx Delay
Joined APC: Nov 2014
Posts: 137
The key is if it is 850, but if American decides to grow PDT to a size similar to PSA now and you're talking 1200+ pilots you are talking around 10 flowing per month. If you're hired at 600 with 150 not flowing it's less than 3 years. Now that number assumes you get hired at 600 then instantly behind you is 600 more pilots which obviously is not how it works but it also does not consider outside attrition which we are seeing is increasing due to the massive legacy retirements and the ease of getting on board with the LCCs today. Obviously it all depends on total growth numbers, outside attrition, when you were hired but if it's possible to be less than 4 years and more realistically 6, you are talking about a legacy job you had a regional interview with in 6 years. If you are 30, you will be at American around 36 with 29 years of American ahead of you. I don't believe it's a carrot, it can easily be determined the flow can be around 6 years and in many cases faster. The only issue is something that would affect the whole industry and movement which at that point no matter where you go you will probably not be in good shape. Yet none of this flow allows you apply to the 3 legacy carriers and get hired before this 4 or 6 or however long year mark. Why not do it at an airline with the growth potential to flow faster than anyone, upgrade as fast as you can anywhere and be paid on par with the industry best. The biggest reason I can see not to come to PDT is if you need to live in base and don't want to move to Philadelphia.
All I was pointing out in the original comment is a 3-5 year flow for a new hire is straight up alternative facts. 5-7 is possible given realistic growth numbers. Remember, if attrition increases, that gateway to get the next 125 pilots gets harder as well.
A case can be made for just about anything given the right numbers. I've been hearing the same line rumors about us becoming the same size as PSA for quite some time, but we only have the capacity as a company to do so much. The fact is our resources (sims and training personnel) are stretched with the current influx of new hires, and we are modestly growing. Once that problem gets dealt with, then the conversation can be had about ultra expansion. Things are getting better here, but I would much rather be cautiously optimistic instead of overzealously disappointed.
03-28-2017, 11:49 AM
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2016
Posts: 55
Haven't started training yet, but I'll be a DFW commuter as well. I think I've seen one other person listed as DFW commuter on the list, so I think we are few and far between (I only checked the First Officer list, by the way)
03-28-2017, 11:57 AM
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: military rotary wing, dual seat
Posts: 135
I have a couple questions I'm hoping you guys can help me out with.
Does anyone know what the current junior bases are for FO's?
How long reserve time is currently?
I've been reading a lot about QOL being great at PSA due to SAP. Would you say your QOL is equitable in terms of flexibility of schedule and being able to get days off when you need them?
Thanks for the help!
Does anyone know what the current junior bases are for FO's?
How long reserve time is currently?
I've been reading a lot about QOL being great at PSA due to SAP. Would you say your QOL is equitable in terms of flexibility of schedule and being able to get days off when you need them?
Thanks for the help!
All operations are based in Philly. Are you interested in pdt?
03-28-2017, 12:04 PM
On Reserve
Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 16
I live on the West Coast and non stop flights are available from Seattle. Has anyone ever made the commute from the west coast, and was it worth it?
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