mach946

Hey thank's for the words of encouragement for our fellow pilots. With regard to management, they have alot to be desired, but it's nice to hear that kind of positive feedback.
Alot of the time's we as a pilot workforce lose site of the whole microcosm of our industry, and I think management takes advantage of that, and pitts us against one another. When in reality we are all consumate proffessionals that want the same thing. A strong industry that thrives and prospers in a way that insures a good strong QOL.

Alot of us at MESA take a beating, but I can honestly say the following about the men and women flying at other regional's. We really do savor in your sucess, and when you guys suffer furloughs etc, we really do become disheartend by it, we take it to heart. That is what makes me proud to fly with my fellow pilots. The fact that they do not foster the it's " US against them attitude" . Anyway, just wanted to throw that shout out to you and all those that know what IM talking about.

Blue Sky's

muushin

All Hollywood dramatics aside, and with all due respect for mesa pilots, we feel for you, but there still are the issues that we as a pilot community clamor for our own dignity and future. That mandates the end of mesa air group.


Sorry if that sounds callous,


But the rest of us legitimate pilots need to have our own future job security enhanced by knowing that the cactus Masada regime is coming to closure!!!!

Once again, no offense to the mesa pilots,

Look at it this way;

Say you as a pilot group were the owners of mesa.
And the governance of mesa is depicted as a rabid pit bull that continues to bite people.
Well then, there comes a time when that the rabid dog has to be Put Down!!
mesa's governance, needs to be put down, and, like any respectable dog owner, you must accept this justice that the law mandates.

mach946

You know you talk a mean one, pretty much all the time. It's people like you that cause people to take a pause and wonder about your motive behind habitually making your so called keen obsevations.

As I have stated in previous post a good airline can morph into a bad one at any time especially if the economy turns sour, or a new CEO takes the helm. Now let me make this perfectly clear,so you dont take that last statement I made and try and fit your head into it and run off and make another one of your snide so called keen observations. MESA's managemnt team is incredibly inept and unqualified to be in a position to run an airline, but when people like you habitually lust for a whole pilot group to be on the street, because of decisions management makes, your wrong. It's not that simple. It causes ripple effects that hit's us all.
If MESA did not exist or was about to go under, I think a person of your mentality would go beserk, because you would not have someone to blame for the industries current tumoil. You need something easy to cry about. You talk about law that must be meted out! the only law is to survive this economy, We have seen great companies bite the dust recently, and not beacuse they were bad.You should be careful what you wish for with regard to the law; it is not always fair, and sometimes in economies like we are currently in, it can favor the " Rabid Dog" as you so aptly put it. It can make the legacy carriers lean and mean in order to keep there bottom line, and if that means doing business with the like's of MESA'a management, they will. There is no such thing as allegiance in our industry.

The pilots at MESA are just as legitimate as you are, as for management I cant say the same. If you really believe your own dignity and future is predicated on the demise of MESA, then you havent got a clue to whats really going on, and you will always be like a mushroom, in the dark and feeding on sh........t.

metalprep2

Okay...so I am new to this forum, and of course I know how the industry is doing...so no surprises at all. However, I did get an interview offer last week, and I am looking to see how much hope I should put in getting an actual airline job. If there is anyone from Mesa here that could send me a personal message, that would be awesome. I am just looking for some guidance, and maybe for some gouge on the interview. It's interesting to hear how much spite there is for Mesa management, and others who would rather see Mesa on the bottom of the ocean...but in these hard times, I think a lowly piston pusher would just like to fly a jet finally. A flying job, is at the end of the day, a job I guess is my outlook...any insight would be appreciated! Cheers!

tzadik

ya no offense buddy... hope you lose your job but its nothing personal. long walk, short pier bro.

you can legitimately go get me a cup of coffee.

av8tor07

I love the fact that you call yourself a legitimate pilot. What makes you think that the pilots at Mesa are not? Are Mesa pilots not real pilots? You make it sound as if they were just playing pilot and didn't know what they were doing. Try not to be so ignorant

Ski Patrol

A legitimate pilot is one who attended any of the overpriced pilot institutions and currently flies a Beech 99. Oh yeah and has approx 1/2 yrs exp flying 121 or be that 135 ops. Furthermore, in an add'l 1/2 yr the legitimate pilot will soon become illegit due to unfortunate industry circumstances.

An illegitimate pilot is one who attended a local fbo for their training spent 1/2 as much and is therefore only 1/2 qualified to be a legitimate pilot. An illegit will fly for xxxx airline flying xxxx RJ and soon realize that they should go back to their former career and make 2 and 1/2 times as much for 1/2 the amount of work. Course this illegit will realize they will be office bound for life. Therefore they will hold out for the next upgrade/legacy/corp job etc. until they reach 45/55 yrs age. Then the illegit will say why did I ---- the last 20 yrs of my life in a hotel when I could have been home every night and actually had a life.

rickair7777

Muushin is pretty rough on you guys, but frankly some of the pilots at mesa (and a few other airlines these days) are more PFT switch monkey than professional pilot.

A pro pilot has some judgement and experience, usually earned the hard way, whereas some low-timers simply don't get it, and are too immature, self-absorbed, or stupid to learn from others. Simply being able to perform flows in a non-motion RJ sim does not make a "real" pilot.

There are also low-time pilots who are very sincere and humble, and dedicated to learning everything they possibly can, as fast as they can...they will be fine in the long term.

Mesa has some real pilots, and some not-so-real pilots.

paxhauler85

Define legitimate pilots, and then inform us why you are one.

I don't take offense to anything you say, since 99% of your comments are immature, emotional and sometimes unfounded (such as the legitimate pilot schtick) statements. Don't be too proud of yourself, we're used to your pompous attitude.

paxhauler85

And so does any other carrier who had an agreement with ATP/Jet U to hire 300 hour guys. I can think of a few.