Chapter 7 For Mesa
07-02-2008, 09:41 PM
#51
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Even at that rate it would be hard to make K80$.
70 hours of regular pay, 30 hours of JM and 400 hours TAFB. All at 4rd YR FO Dash CA holdback pay.
70 x $44 = $3080
30 x $88 = #2640
400 x $1.28 = $512
Total = $6232 x 13 (bids) = $74,784
*NOTE** The above numbers are impossible seeing that it would require them to fly more than 1000 hours in a year. I was just maxing out what one could do in a bid period without thinking about the yearly picture.
70 hours of regular pay, 30 hours of JM and 400 hours TAFB. All at 4rd YR FO Dash CA holdback pay.
70 x $44 = $3080
30 x $88 = #2640
400 x $1.28 = $512
Total = $6232 x 13 (bids) = $74,784
*NOTE** The above numbers are impossible seeing that it would require them to fly more than 1000 hours in a year. I was just maxing out what one could do in a bid period without thinking about the yearly picture.
07-02-2008, 09:42 PM
#52
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I’m not trying to discredit you but that’s extremely hard to believe. Just running the numbers based up the maximum I can believe:
70 hours of regular pay, 30 hours of JM and 400 hours TAFB. All at 3rd YR Dash FO pay.
70 x $23 = $1610
30 x $46 = #1380
400 x $1.28 = $512
Total = $3502 x 13 (bids) = $45,526
(Didn’t use deadhead pay but even if you do it won’t add much)
After running the numbers at an extreme:
All 100 hours at JM pay plus 400 hours TAFB @ 3 rd Yr pay.
100 x $46 = $4600
400 x $1.28 = $512
Total = $66,456 MAX!!!!!!! !!!! (CAN’T HAPPEN)
So by looking at the above numbers you can easily see that it’s impossible to make that kind of money on the Dash at Mesa…………………even if you’ve been there 20 years as an FO but if you can show us how then......................well just remember that it's puff-puff-give.
BTW, it’s also next impossible to have 100% of your time paid out at JM pay.
70 hours of regular pay, 30 hours of JM and 400 hours TAFB. All at 3rd YR Dash FO pay.
70 x $23 = $1610
30 x $46 = #1380
400 x $1.28 = $512
Total = $3502 x 13 (bids) = $45,526
(Didn’t use deadhead pay but even if you do it won’t add much)
After running the numbers at an extreme:
All 100 hours at JM pay plus 400 hours TAFB @ 3 rd Yr pay.
100 x $46 = $4600
400 x $1.28 = $512
Total = $66,456 MAX!!!!!!! !!!! (CAN’T HAPPEN)
So by looking at the above numbers you can easily see that it’s impossible to make that kind of money on the Dash at Mesa…………………even if you’ve been there 20 years as an FO but if you can show us how then......................well just remember that it's puff-puff-give.
BTW, it’s also next impossible to have 100% of your time paid out at JM pay.
Gotta know how to work the system, I guess. I know quite a few F/Os on the Dash right now, as a matter of fact, who are making well over $50/hr due to holdback pay. Some of them are heldback for quite awhile, so it adds up in their favor pretty quick under these circumstances. Unless you're in a huge rush to build TPIC, holdback pay here at Mesa is actually not too bad a deal. It's one of the few good things we have in our current contract. I'm content in the Dash, but for those looking to go to the jet, the name of the game is get that bid in, get the award, and get ready for some holdback pay.
07-02-2008, 11:14 PM
#53
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Position: ERJ CA
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I don't have anything scientific to base this on, but I think that though the likelihood of Mesa going into CH7 may be significant, it will not happen any time soon. Why? Dunno, just a feeling. If it does happen, call me a retard. Wait, I still work there... I'm already suspect in the brains department.
I don't think we are directly exposed to rising fuel costs btw.
I might have broken the 6-figure mark this year had it not been for the F8 fiasco (on 5th year CA pay).
I don't think we are directly exposed to rising fuel costs btw.
I might have broken the 6-figure mark this year had it not been for the F8 fiasco (on 5th year CA pay).
07-03-2008, 06:14 AM
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Even at that rate it would be hard to make K80$.
70 hours of regular pay, 30 hours of JM and 400 hours TAFB. All at 4rd YR FO Dash CA holdback pay.
70 x $44 = $3080
30 x $88 = #2640
400 x $1.28 = $512
Total = $6232 x 13 (bids) = $74,784
*NOTE** The above numbers are impossible seeing that it would require them to fly more than 1000 hours in a year. I was just maxing out what one could do in a bid period without thinking about the yearly picture.
70 hours of regular pay, 30 hours of JM and 400 hours TAFB. All at 4rd YR FO Dash CA holdback pay.
70 x $44 = $3080
30 x $88 = #2640
400 x $1.28 = $512
Total = $6232 x 13 (bids) = $74,784
*NOTE** The above numbers are impossible seeing that it would require them to fly more than 1000 hours in a year. I was just maxing out what one could do in a bid period without thinking about the yearly picture.
How? 4 months out of 13 I got paired up with a check airman. Got my line dropped for each entire month, and picked up 70-80 hours of flying in its place.
85 hour line = dropped for IOE.
70(x2) hours of Open Time.
85 + 140 = 225 hours of pay.
225 x $29/hr = $6525
Per Diem on top of that.
$7000 month...ran all the way to the bank those months.
07-03-2008, 07:07 AM
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I made roughly 50K my second year in the right seat.
How? 4 months out of 13 I got paired up with a check airman. Got my line dropped for each entire month, and picked up 70-80 hours of flying in its place.
85 hour line = dropped for IOE.
70(x2) hours of Open Time.
85 + 140 = 225 hours of pay.
225 x $29/hr = $6525
Per Diem on top of that.
$7000 month...ran all the way to the bank those months.
How? 4 months out of 13 I got paired up with a check airman. Got my line dropped for each entire month, and picked up 70-80 hours of flying in its place.
85 hour line = dropped for IOE.
70(x2) hours of Open Time.
85 + 140 = 225 hours of pay.
225 x $29/hr = $6525
Per Diem on top of that.
$7000 month...ran all the way to the bank those months.
As an FO I lived in Domicile (ATL) so I was able to work the system when I made almost $53K my second year at SKW (included 3 months at first year pay) all while not being JM once (they just can't do that at SKW) and averaging 15-18 days off/month while being home every day. Basically I would bid a 90+ hour line and sit reserve for the company on my days off (no reserves in ATL and I would only do it during the week / not weekends, pays at least 3:45 per day). Since it was ATL they considered me emergency reserve and if they had time they would TDY an ORD or SLC FO down to cover the leg/trip instead of calling me; if they called I then was paid almost $60 an hour at JM pay. I was also able to drop some of my schedule and pick up open time. In the end I sat reserve for SKW a total of 38 days and was only called once. That’s 38 days X 3:45 hours per day X $36 per hour = $5140 on top of my line. (monthly credit averages of over 135 hours)
You’re right; 50’s during your second year can be done, at any airline, if you know how to work the system.
BTW, I consider a reserve day that I spend playing golf a day off. If you consider reserve days as work days then I averaged 12-15 days off per month.
07-03-2008, 07:12 AM
#56
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OK, if you get all your trips DFIed or you an RJ CA holdback of course you can make bank as an FO at any airline.
But that is not the norm for most folks, so I wouldn't take a job at mesa planning on $50K as an FO.
But that is not the norm for most folks, so I wouldn't take a job at mesa planning on $50K as an FO.
07-03-2008, 07:23 AM
#57
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Position: SkyWest Capt.
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Excellent point! You just can't count on any of the above.
07-03-2008, 11:43 AM
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Assuming 1 yr. holdback pay @ 3rd yr. rate RJ ($58/hr) and intentionally bidding a line that pairs one up w/ an LCA, which plenty of guys do:
$58 x 70= $4060/bid....Then pick up 30 hrs. of Open Time @ double pay:
$116 x 30= $3480/bid
So, $4060 + $3460 = $7540/bid x 13 = $98,020/yr...pre-tax, no per diem, flying a "lowly" turboprop. Not too shabby.
Obviously these numbers won't occur every bid this perfectly, but I know several of the guys who worked the system and did pretty well. Again, to reiterate, definitely the exception to the rule. 50% of our pilot workforce left last year for a reason.
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