The Comair pool
07-07-2008, 08:38 PM
#51
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Waiting for my class!
Posts: 41
hahah andy i have already taken your advice. its just the curiosity in me. after i got the call a few days before i was suppose to leave...i sat and thought about it for a long time and went to work right away with plan B (thank you 4 year degree!). i was seriously packed and all ready to leave for 2 months of training! this industry is a crapshoot. ....seriously though its a real bummer because for as long as i can remember this has been what i wanted to do in life and i've come so close (literally)...but whatever, maybe one day. i think its best for everyone trying to get in to try somethign else if only for the time being given the way the economical climate is the way it is right now.
oh well...Im home with my beautiful wife every night, and at least I can still fly for a living as a CFI!
07-07-2008, 11:06 PM
#52
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Joined APC: Mar 2007
Posts: 34
wow, i thought they were going to be calling me tomorrow...i hadnt read any of the other 50,000 posts about dont hold your breath...
you can pretty much bet on the fact that every single guy in the pool knows whats happening in the industry so comments like that just serve to tick people off. Dont remind us, go drink a beer like the rest of us....
you can pretty much bet on the fact that every single guy in the pool knows whats happening in the industry so comments like that just serve to tick people off. Dont remind us, go drink a beer like the rest of us....
07-08-2008, 04:37 AM
#53
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Waiting for my class!
Posts: 41
Sorry dude if that came out the wrong way, wasn't my intention at all. Its probably because all this job searching stuff is getting to me. Being that i got the call 3 days before i was suppose to leave for class last week, I didn't have any other plans for the month so I've just been polishing up the resume all of last week till now hahah. But yeah like you said in your previous post, the positive to all this is staying home with the wife, or in my case the GF...glad i was able to spend the 4th with her and the friends and not watching the fireworks from my room at the hilton! all the best to everyone.
this industry sucks hahaha
07-08-2008, 09:16 PM
#55
New Hire
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: CRJ200 FO
Posts: 4
Let me take the time to clear some of the rumors and speculation that has been going on.
1) Comair is NOT furloughing 300 pilots... they are using an exaggerated number in order to force ALPA to talk with management... which they aren't right now.
2) Comair probably isn't gonna end up furloughing pilots. When they find out the amount of money they can afford to offer the extremely senior pilots of our extremely top-heavy seniority list, there will be a lot of pilots who will take the money and run. I estimate the possibility of any Comair pilots being furloughed to be about 40%
3) For those of you swimming in the pool... don't get too comfortable with your current jobs... when this crap is all done and over I estimate you will be here for training in no more than 6 months.
4) For those still in training.. you are guaranteed to finish training... they already paid for the sim time, and they can't get it back... that's about 50k per trainee... about $600,000 per training class... not including the instructors... they aren't gonna throw that money away...
I hope this lets all those affected by the recent events feel a little better...
1) Comair is NOT furloughing 300 pilots... they are using an exaggerated number in order to force ALPA to talk with management... which they aren't right now.
2) Comair probably isn't gonna end up furloughing pilots. When they find out the amount of money they can afford to offer the extremely senior pilots of our extremely top-heavy seniority list, there will be a lot of pilots who will take the money and run. I estimate the possibility of any Comair pilots being furloughed to be about 40%
3) For those of you swimming in the pool... don't get too comfortable with your current jobs... when this crap is all done and over I estimate you will be here for training in no more than 6 months.
4) For those still in training.. you are guaranteed to finish training... they already paid for the sim time, and they can't get it back... that's about 50k per trainee... about $600,000 per training class... not including the instructors... they aren't gonna throw that money away...
I hope this lets all those affected by the recent events feel a little better...
07-08-2008, 10:23 PM
#56
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: Checking essential
Posts: 146
Let me take the time to clear some of the rumors and speculation that has been going on.
1) Comair is NOT furloughing 300 pilots... they are using an exaggerated number in order to force ALPA to talk with management... which they aren't right now.
2) Comair probably isn't gonna end up furloughing pilots. When they find out the amount of money they can afford to offer the extremely senior pilots of our extremely top-heavy seniority list, there will be a lot of pilots who will take the money and run. I estimate the possibility of any Comair pilots being furloughed to be about 40%
3) For those of you swimming in the pool... don't get too comfortable with your current jobs... when this crap is all done and over I estimate you will be here for training in no more than 6 months.
4) For those still in training.. you are guaranteed to finish training... they already paid for the sim time, and they can't get it back... that's about 50k per trainee... about $600,000 per training class... not including the instructors... they aren't gonna throw that money away...
I hope this lets all those affected by the recent events feel a little better...
1) Comair is NOT furloughing 300 pilots... they are using an exaggerated number in order to force ALPA to talk with management... which they aren't right now.
2) Comair probably isn't gonna end up furloughing pilots. When they find out the amount of money they can afford to offer the extremely senior pilots of our extremely top-heavy seniority list, there will be a lot of pilots who will take the money and run. I estimate the possibility of any Comair pilots being furloughed to be about 40%
3) For those of you swimming in the pool... don't get too comfortable with your current jobs... when this crap is all done and over I estimate you will be here for training in no more than 6 months.
4) For those still in training.. you are guaranteed to finish training... they already paid for the sim time, and they can't get it back... that's about 50k per trainee... about $600,000 per training class... not including the instructors... they aren't gonna throw that money away...
I hope this lets all those affected by the recent events feel a little better...
On another note, does anyone else have any other opinions on whether us guys in the pool might have to interview again?
07-09-2008, 03:59 AM
#57
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: FO
Posts: 3,044
Let me take the time to clear some of the rumors and speculation that has been going on.
1) Comair is NOT furloughing 300 pilots... they are using an exaggerated number in order to force ALPA to talk with management... which they aren't right now.
300 does seem steep, but the union and company are starting to talk a little at the top.
2) Comair probably isn't gonna end up furloughing pilots. When they find out the amount of money they can afford to offer the extremely senior pilots of our extremely top-heavy seniority list, there will be a lot of pilots who will take the money and run. I estimate the possibility of any Comair pilots being furloughed to be about 40%
I wouldn't bet on that, I have little faith that the company will offer a lucrative enough offer to get the senior folk to leave. Why would they? A lot of guys I have flown with say they would need six figure payouts to leave, CAL only offered a max of 50k for an Early out....we aren't going to offer that much. A couple of them even picked up Open Time the last time we had guys on the street, so they obviosuly aren't going to do it out of the goodness of their heart and money talks.
3) For those of you swimming in the pool... don't get too comfortable with your current jobs... when this crap is all done and over I estimate you will be here for training in no more than 6 months.
Unless gas comes down, this will be a bit longer than the last one that only lasted 2 months.
4) For those still in training.. you are guaranteed to finish training... they already paid for the sim time, and they can't get it back... that's about 50k per trainee... about $600,000 per training class... not including the instructors... they aren't gonna throw that money away...
I hope this lets all those affected by the recent events feel a little better...
1) Comair is NOT furloughing 300 pilots... they are using an exaggerated number in order to force ALPA to talk with management... which they aren't right now.
300 does seem steep, but the union and company are starting to talk a little at the top.
2) Comair probably isn't gonna end up furloughing pilots. When they find out the amount of money they can afford to offer the extremely senior pilots of our extremely top-heavy seniority list, there will be a lot of pilots who will take the money and run. I estimate the possibility of any Comair pilots being furloughed to be about 40%
I wouldn't bet on that, I have little faith that the company will offer a lucrative enough offer to get the senior folk to leave. Why would they? A lot of guys I have flown with say they would need six figure payouts to leave, CAL only offered a max of 50k for an Early out....we aren't going to offer that much. A couple of them even picked up Open Time the last time we had guys on the street, so they obviosuly aren't going to do it out of the goodness of their heart and money talks.
3) For those of you swimming in the pool... don't get too comfortable with your current jobs... when this crap is all done and over I estimate you will be here for training in no more than 6 months.
Unless gas comes down, this will be a bit longer than the last one that only lasted 2 months.
4) For those still in training.. you are guaranteed to finish training... they already paid for the sim time, and they can't get it back... that's about 50k per trainee... about $600,000 per training class... not including the instructors... they aren't gonna throw that money away...
I hope this lets all those affected by the recent events feel a little better...
I was doing recurrent the last 2 days and there were NH's in the sim, pretty tough to stay focused with this crap going through the air.
07-09-2008, 04:07 AM
#58
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: A320 FO
Posts: 1,454
Let me take the time to clear some of the rumors and speculation that has been going on.
1) Comair is NOT furloughing 300 pilots... they are using an exaggerated number in order to force ALPA to talk with management... which they aren't right now.
2) Comair probably isn't gonna end up furloughing pilots. When they find out the amount of money they can afford to offer the extremely senior pilots of our extremely top-heavy seniority list, there will be a lot of pilots who will take the money and run. I estimate the possibility of any Comair pilots being furloughed to be about 40%
3) For those of you swimming in the pool... don't get too comfortable with your current jobs... when this crap is all done and over I estimate you will be here for training in no more than 6 months.
4) For those still in training.. you are guaranteed to finish training... they already paid for the sim time, and they can't get it back... that's about 50k per trainee... about $600,000 per training class... not including the instructors... they aren't gonna throw that money away...
I hope this lets all those affected by the recent events feel a little better...
1) Comair is NOT furloughing 300 pilots... they are using an exaggerated number in order to force ALPA to talk with management... which they aren't right now.
2) Comair probably isn't gonna end up furloughing pilots. When they find out the amount of money they can afford to offer the extremely senior pilots of our extremely top-heavy seniority list, there will be a lot of pilots who will take the money and run. I estimate the possibility of any Comair pilots being furloughed to be about 40%
3) For those of you swimming in the pool... don't get too comfortable with your current jobs... when this crap is all done and over I estimate you will be here for training in no more than 6 months.
4) For those still in training.. you are guaranteed to finish training... they already paid for the sim time, and they can't get it back... that's about 50k per trainee... about $600,000 per training class... not including the instructors... they aren't gonna throw that money away...
I hope this lets all those affected by the recent events feel a little better...
It’s good to hear some positive prospective on things at Comair, but how exactly did you get this information?
07-09-2008, 05:15 AM
#59
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Posts: 1,197
Let's think about these buy outs for a second. If you look at the top 10% of the pilot group, a lot of them actually have 10 years still that they can fly. At that level, 10 years is basically $1,000,000.00. That is just straight earning potential. That doesn't include any 401K match from the company. So the way I see it, the company would have to offer those guys over 1.5 Million Per/pilot to make that a remote possibility.
07-09-2008, 05:26 AM
#60
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: Popsicle Logic
Posts: 633
Let's think about these buy outs for a second. If you look at the top 10% of the pilot group, a lot of them actually have 10 years still that they can fly. At that level, 10 years is basically $1,000,000.00. That is just straight earning potential. That doesn't include any 401K match from the company. So the way I see it, the company would have to offer those guys over 1.5 Million Per/pilot to make that a remote possibility.
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