andy171773

All they have to do is tell Captains to go to the gate before push to see if there are any jumpseaters, and rectify it that way.

This is going too far in my opinion, and will only strain the mainline/regional relationships further.

PoBugSmasher

I hope this is some sort of joke. What the hell is this industry comming to when a few pilots, try to abuse their influence (anonomously I might ad), to start a jumpseat war? Good luck, to all the UAL/UAX folks affected by this. Use your heads, keep your cool, do the right thing, and run an honest show, despite management's ineptitude.

The sad part is that the solution to all of this seems simple.....Don't use the damn software until it's fixed (if ever). UAL needs to issue a memo, an e-mail or whatever to the Gate Agents. Tell them to simply use a piece of paper and a pen and make a jumpseat list. It ain't that hard. This is how we used to handle all of our non-revs and jumpseaters years ago, at America West, and it worked just fine. The solution to every problem is not neccesarily a freakin' software upgrade. I'm sure the Gate Agents are pretty sick of being in the middle of this ****ing match too.

G-Dog

I can tell you that the letter was placed on our pilot(not company) website at RAH. The post was made by one of our Jumpseat coordinators. In fact, the coordinators from all three certificates put there names to it.

nicholasblonde

What the hell is this industry coming to when pilots can't get seats on their own company's aircraft? What the hell is this industry coming to when I was left by an AA mainline flight that had 15 seats available (against the will of the captain) because AA restricts offline listings (when my airline doesn't). How is it fair that unlimited AA system pilots can ride on my plane but I can't ride on their plane?

This isn't pilots vs. pilots, this is UAX pilots standing up to UAL mgmt for something the UAL mainline pilots are incapable or unwilling to take care of themselves. Have some honor if you're a UAL mainline pilot and call your union rep.

Pilotpip

Short of the C/D gates at IAD one of us has to go print the release anyway. Going to the gate desk isn't that hard.

I'm totally opposed to this on many levels. The computer system needs to be fixed but this isn't the way to accomplish it.

rememberaloha

Why was the system changed a month or so ago in the first place? What was so wrong with the old system (UAX carrier, then UAL, then other UAX?)

Thinking man

The jumpseat coordinators have been trying to correct this problem over a year...

UAL management agrees to correct the software with UAL MEC approval...

UAL MEC refuses to honor the agreement and will not approve the correction...

ToiletDuck

Rick there are some fine examples of what happens when a regional thinks it can push a mainline into doing anything. They sign our checks and those seats aren't ours. Doesn't matter how much we wish they were in the reality of things UAL pays for every seat on that aircraft. The pilots have nothing to do with this. Saying UAL "started it" makes it seem like some kind of justified slap fight. What do you think UAL will do once a couple flights get canceled and their already bad situation in today's market is made worse? Do you expect some sort of sympathy out of them then? Do you think we'll get the UAL flying up for grabs? Maybe, maybe not. If there's any lesson to be learned from Comair and XJT it's you don't walk around thinking you have the ability to make your codeshare do anything. You ask. If they say no then you ask again. You keep asking till it happens. You don't bring a management issue to a pilot level. RAH is praying they'll take more of our birds. If we "stick it to them" we aren't exactly giving them a reason to put more eggs in our basket.

I could care less who started what. This is absolutely the worst way to go about it. No regional should go against it's codeshare and no action should be taken against anyone on the pilot's behalf without it being put to vote. People that support this need to sit down and think of what complications it could cause down the road. What if that guy's sitting across from you during an interview one day? Right now this is the regional trying to retaliate against UALs management by using their pilots. You have any idea what their pilots could do to us? It goes both ways and they definitely have the bigger stick.

Worst idea ever and if I get denied a jumpseat because of something a select few did without my pilot groups vote then I'd flip a lid.

PoBugSmasher

Sounds like ALPA National needs to get a handle on the UAL MEC....

HSLD

Thanks for the verification - good luck to all of us.