BoilerUP

Now why on earth would you start a jumpseat war now, before things get a chance to be worked out?

And why would you beat up an RJ captain who takes a delay to get ballast, allowing a jumpseater onboard? Its not like crews wanted the FAA to keep jacking around with weights, causing W&B issues.

Preemption was a Cold War tactic and rash emotional responses just like yours will cause this thing to get really out of hand and really, really fast.

rocketman99

Ahh, you sound like that same ******* UA CA who chewed me out two years ago for saying hello and not requesting a seat on your pretty aircraft when I was NON-REVVING (not jumpseating). Thanks for playing. Go back and count what's left of your big bucks.

buffalopilot

this is why the industry is the way it is, GROW UP FOLKS

paxhauler85

Iceholes? Full combat campaign?

Calm down. Let's figure this out in a mature way. As a 767 captain, you should know how to solve problems in this manner.

Thinking man

This has been a subtle, yet blatant attempt by UALs MEC to gain priority of UAX's jumpseats. Now that they are caught in the act, it UAX's pilots fault, UAL management, or IT problem... The MEC had the priorities change with management's approval and now, they won't change them back.

HercDriver130

Cuts both ways slick!!!

gettinbumped

Thanks Terrain. The way I read the letter, it sounds like the appeals have been to UAL management, but I have no inside info on this at all, so it is possible its the UAL MEC.

I think we may be talking about two different issues. The priority codes were changed a short time ago to give priority to TSA and GO Jets over other UAX carriers, as they give our pilots priority over other UAX carriers. I know the UAL J/S coordinator would like the priority on ALL UAX flights to be 1) Own Airline 2) UAL 3) Other UAX 4) Other Airlines. I have never heard from our J/S coordinator that we were trying to get jumpseat priority over UAX on your own airline.

The letter that was circulated sounds like a different issue, and one that has been around for few years. Conspiracy theories aside, I don't know of any active attempt by the UAL MEC to try to get the jumpseat over UAX on their own carriers. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist... I just haven't heard about it. When I leave the jet, the last thing I want to think/talk about is the airline industry.

gettinbumped

Didn't know that it was mainline agents in ORD. In that case, I can state with complete certainty that you should be able to get an OMC card and see the Captain without question, regardless of how many OMC's have shown up. THAT is the UAL policy, and if it isn't being followed, please contact your jumpseat coordinator with the flight, date, gate, and agents last name (it should be on their tag). I would suggest keeping the conversation professional, but asking them to look at the HOW OMC in Apollo if they don't agree with the policy. We have had agents fired for not following this specific provision of the policy intentionally. As a Captain, I don't want some agent deciding who gets on the jumpseat. We worked long and hard to have that decision brought back to the Captain.

Its upsetting to me that your J/S coordinators have been unable to convince UAL to force our agents to use our own policy, and I hope that our J/S coordinator sees this as egregious behavior. It is an erosion of Captains authority, pure and simple.

I can certainly see where this issue would irritate our Express Brothers and Sisters. I remember this type of issue at Horizon awhile back, as I commuted to SEA from PDX. I got denied a few times and always left without any questions. I do remember thinking to myself that it was a strange tactic to bite the hand of the 50 guys that actually USED Horizon and were actively trying to get the horrific policy changed at the time when the other 9550 pilots at UAL could care less about Horizon. The policy got changed in that case NOT because we were denied the jumpseat, but because it was a bad policy. I suspect the same would be true here. This post was an education to me. I didn't know this was an issue, and will contact my J/S coordinator to see why it isn't being addressed. NOT because I'm being threatened, but because its wrong. Once again.... take me on the J/S or not. I could care less. In the interim, I would suggest making UAL pilots aware of the issue when you have them on the seat, because we had no idea this was going on. Might I suggest, however, that when you do mention it, you catch more bees with honey.

gettinbumped

Express Jet needs some help, and FAST. Great lakes could probably use some work. Lynx might be out of a job soon. It may take a little time, but I never cease to be amazed at how good UAL is at screwing people.

BURflyer

This is one of the stupidest threads I've read here in a while. Pilots Vs. Pilots for an empty seat.