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#21
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I never flew the Bro, but I did fly the Dash 8 at another airline, a similar t-prop to the EMB-120. I enjoyed the time I had in the Dash, and I think it was an important part of learning how to fly transport category airplanes. But now that I'm in the CRJ, I'm even happier. They're really two different worlds, both with their own advantages and disadvantages. With the EMB, yes, you will probably gain (bro) seniority and upgrade much faster than you would in the jet (especially if you want to be out west). It's more complex and there's more workload, but it's also much slower than the jet, so much more forgiving. The jet is way more automated, but also much faster. ACARS is amazing, and I can't wait until we get the EFB (I flew one of our RJs that has an EFB the other day, it was deactivated, but it looks awesome). The workload is 1/4 that the Dash was (and the bro probably is), but the plane is also 2X-3X faster. I could go on, but I will agree with what many people said here. If you don't have any turbine time, the EMB-120 is a great transition to the airline world. All the Bro pilots I talk to love flying it. I wouldn't give up the time I had in the Dash for anything in the world, and most of them would say the same thing about the Bro. But I'm also really happy to be in the jet now, and while I would welcome the opportunity to fly a t-prop again, I would pick the RJ every time if given the choice. Hope that helps!
I've never really understood this argument of the RJ being faster so it's harder to fly in that sense. The RJ was ridiculously easy to fly when compared to the EMB-120. Last time I checked, we all had to do less than 250 below 10000' so when you are the busiest, you are also going the slowest. The only thing you had to remember was on takeoff, if given a level off below ten, pull the "thrust levers" back. Not that difficult. Comparing the RJ to a Emb-120 is no comparison at all. RJ is easy, Brasilia is hard....................regardless of the speed...........you are only going faster above 10000'.
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sometimes i get so tired of doing that. one day i was particularly lazy and didn't trim after pulling power way back for a descent. a buddy of mine was riding along in the actual for an observation flight. the captain i was flying with was a check airman and he tells my buddy, "we usually trim the plane up and dont fly sideways." so i throw some power in, the ball centers and i say, "im trimming it, see! look! its centered now." point is, its a plane. relax and just fly the thing and you'll be fine.
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from an old guy with over 3500 hundred hours of tprop time both in the ATR and C-130 ( fwiw...the greatest tprop aircraft ever built ) .... enjoy flying your tprop.... one piece of advice ...PROTECT YOUR HEARING....... mine is shot after not doing that.
#25
or "silver bullet". lots of rudder, planning descents, etc, more to learn by flying the 120. Like some else said, possibly make more money off reserve.
what about upgrade? if so, you will know it very well.
I wasn't fond of the "Big Wheel" grip though.
#26
I've never really understood this argument of the RJ being faster so it's harder to fly in that sense. The RJ was ridiculously easy to fly when compared to the EMB-120. Last time I checked, we all had to do less than 250 below 10000' so when you are the busiest, you are also going the slowest. The only thing you had to remember was on takeoff, if given a level off below ten, pull the "thrust levers" back. Not that difficult. Comparing the RJ to a Emb-120 is no comparison at all. RJ is easy, Brasilia is hard....................regardless of the speed...........you are only going faster above 10000'.
#28
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I guess the Bro is much faster than the Dash then, we couldn't even go 250 in the Dash, our highest VMO was 242. And we rarely went that fast. Sometimes approach would slow us up so much that we used to joke that their next call would be "Piedmont XXX, Charlotte Approach, maintain 180kts, you'll be following an A321 that just left Baltimore." I do remember that things went a lot faster form my point of view in the CRJ than they did in the Dash, especially within 20 miles of the airport. But like I said, I never flew the Bro, so I'm probably way off base with my comparison. Still, T-Props are fun to fly, and I'm glad I flew one.
No you are not off base with your comparison. I just didn't explain it as well as I could have. Sorry. The Brasilia did 230-240 fairly "easily" in level flight (terminal area, low) with a lot of power. What I was trying to say was that in the CRJ, in the terminal area and below 10000' I found we flew pretty much the same speeds as when I was on the EMB. Range of 250 to 180 on the CRJ or 230 to 170 on the EMB. In my humble opinion that's not that much of a difference so I never really understood why some would say that the CRJ is harder to fly because of the "speed". Hope that's a bit more clear
#30
The EMB-120 is almost always out of trim, it's very heavy on the controls (only the rudder is hydraulic) all while demanding a LARGE amount rudder attention anytime you make a power change of 2%+ or you change configuration (Yaw Dampers are worthless when you're dealing with engines that are rated at 2400 shaft with 10.5' props and the bird a conventional twin) and you have to forcefully make it do anything.
It takes real skill to man handle the old “Switch B1tch” all while being silky smooth.
It takes real skill to man handle the old “Switch B1tch” all while being silky smooth.
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