jmack

what or who in in the back is not the issue. The fact that a compnay is not bargaining in good faith (Netjets and pinnacle mngt) the fact the company claims they can't afford it (Netjets and pinnacle mngt). Netjets mngt, union, pilots are not corprate at all, they are the same as a 121 group in every way.
If Netjets pilots believed in mngt clains they still be makein 70k and still be bragging about their on time perf. Now that same 70k pilot makes 130k and has better on time stats then ever....go figure. If i was mngt and my pilots showed me they were happy makeing 50k by flying on time and doing i good job....i wouldn't pay them either.
I wish we had the balls they did.

xjsaab

Does Netjets negotiations fall under the RLA? Are they scrutinized by the NMB? For them the tactics may work well, but it won't work for us under the current RLA laws. Netjet, Bus Companies, Hotel unions are a different animal. It's like comparing apples to oranges. There's many out there who believe that to win you don't stoop down to their level. Do the right thing, fly safe, fly the contract get involved with the union, aviation safety programs, public forums like Young Eagles etc. It may be very satisfiying to "call in sick" pull back the thrust levers and be a "little late." But in the end, you're punching the nose to spite the face. Maintaining a professional image, doing the job safely despite mangements poor judgements is the better road travelled..
To the 9E guys, best of luck!!!! Here's to a union friendly President moving onto Pennylvania Ave.

StraightShooter

clains??? what???

If you have a billionaire in the back ..... or a broke college student flying in the back..............IT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE!

You don't get rewarded for doing ****-poor-pathetic-pitiful aviating.

If this is the new mentality among pilots, we're in trouble. Plan on huge furloughs if you follow this guy.

It's always, always, always the companies fault. Is it ever the Unions fault? Or are they perfect?

jmack

Yes, and Yes. NJA does fall under the RLA and did have to deal with the NMB. was not good, they learned they had to go it alone...and DID. NJA pilots voted to strike with over 90% voting to strike, of course the NMB would not allow this. so they made a stand and got rewarded.

jmack

sorry, i posted from a blackberry, often hit wrong letters since they are so little.....but anyway, your right....its your unions fault, why dont you have the 9E pilots take a pay cut so they can make even less compaired to cab drivers, waiters, etc etc etc.

nicholasblonde

Uhhh...I already make less than I did as a waiter at a really nice restaurant. But they didn't have health insurance. Needless to say I might be back waiting tables again one day in the future!!!

P-51D

see the post in the text below. see the post below.

P-51D

UND had history of the airline industry as a whole. from the start to current. And maybe we discussed regionals for A DAY.
But, I don't understand why you think you are "better" than the people that CHOOSE to go to Mesaba or Pinnacle. That you are soooo great and smart for instructing and built a couple hundred hours....because you are now at a FANTASTIC paying job....wow....maybe $5-10 more. Well, during THAT time, other pilots were building TURBINE time....putting THEM a step closer to where they are going to be in the long run. The regionals are NOT life-long jobs. They are stepping stones to the Legacies or corporate flying.

Also, people that choose airlines to upgrade faster, are now building PIC time. How your SIC time sits well for YOUR future.

Don't bash Pinnacle and Mesaba and people's choices without thinking of what people are going to say back to you and YOUR choices.

HercDriver130

you guys have to stop thinking in the narrow mindset that regional/jet carriers are ONLY stepping stones...... ASA, Comair, SKW, XJT, RAH and the list goes on...is full of guys who WILL spend their careers at those companies..... some will move on... over time... many...but MANY will still be there just the same.

tpersuit

Shows how much you really know how much more we make at ExpressJet. So far this year, I have pulled in about $14,000 on first year pay and have flown just under 300 hours, this year, in just 6 months. So tell me again how only flying 50 hours a month and on pace for $28,000 for my first is not that much better? Once I get on 2nd-year pay I'll be on pace for $36,000-$40,000 a year, all while flying 50 seats around.

For the record I don't see the guys at Mesaba as a low regional. They were the pinnacle (no pun intended ) of the regionals at the time and got insanely screwed by NWA's bankrupcy. Despite lower pay than we have at ExpressJet they have excellent work rules there. I don't know what kool-aid you've been drinking, but Pinnacle's work rules aren't really anything to write home about.

Now this is where it shows your lack of understanding and immaturity. You don't go to just any regional to build time for the next level. Ask any pilot from Skywest, Republic, Eagle, Horizon, ExpressJet, and even Mesaba (there are others as well). People that chose to go to a crappy regional, just to build time, will feel the pain when the industry goes into a downturn and they get stuck there. Looks like all those guys that went to Mesa just to build time must be really regretting that decision now. Also, none of my friends that went to any of the other regionals have upgraded or are even close to that now. Not really sure what kool-aid that you are drinking but NO-ONE has 1.5 year upgrades right now.

As for making choices, don't bash those of us that didn't take the easy plunge and go with a bottom feeder, because doing so just helps drag down this industry further. Of course you won't understand, so I'm not even sure while I'm trying to help you out here.