iahflyr

APA has.
http://www.apanegotiations.com/LinkC...bid=65&mid=448

"All flying performed by or on behalf of the Company or an Affiliate shall be performed by pilots on the American Airlines Seniority List"

I am rooting for them. They seem to be a good union who is fighting for what they deserve.




Thankfully there is an arbitrary number (50 for CAL, 70 for AMR/UAL, and 76 for DAL/NWA) to prevent companies from placing 80, 100, 120, 150 seat jets at regional airlines. Regionals are not career destinations, they are just stepping stones. That does not mean your time at a regional should be awful (eg. Mesa, GoJet, TSA), you should fight for good pay/QOL/workrules, you just don't want to have more aircraft at regionals (and thus fewer at majors). 76 seat aircraft replace mainline jets. 70 seat aircraft replace mainline jets. To some extend, many 50 seat aircraft replace mainline jets. So pilots at major airlines (like AA) are trying to lower the size/number of RJ's at regionals, thus allowing for more aircraft to be flown at the mainline level.

sargeanb

I wonder what fuel prices embraer used when they came up with this: http://www.embraercommercialjets.com...tela=economics

I think it's a bit flawed. Im flying mostly E135's out of CVG, which I know will be gone by the end of the year. And at least for our company, we're supposed to be getting rid of all the 50 seaters in 5 or 6 years, as per mainline's wishes. The lower frequency of flights accompanying the use of the 70+seaters will mean less pilots will be needed, so the belt tightening will continue...

TonyWilliams

I believe SWAPA had something similar in their current (maybe now former?) contract, but have since let that go to open the door to us (or whoever).

blastoff

Not yet...if you guys get any flying for them, their pilots will have to cave on scope.

blastoff

Since much of the airline pilot profession, especially Legacies, is dominated by ex-military guys, some would consider it sacrilege to force a new-hire to go from F-15 to a Beech 1900.

As far as RJ's...maybe they're afraid management, in an effort to maintain CASM would make mainline guys take a payscale to fly RJ's that resembles the "industry leading" and precedent-setting 70/90-seat scale negotiated by a certain airline.

B727DRVR

Hey Herc and Blastoff,

That was just the argument in my Dad's copy of the APA magazine from the late '80's......... Some guy felt that it would be beneath his squadron buddies to come fly the SA-227 Metros, SF-340's, and the Casa's that the "Eagles" flew then. They also said that the "Eagles" were mostly unqualified civilians that weren't worthy of being represented by the APA. My Dad said that there used to be the same attitudes towards the prop guys from the jet guys at AA in the 60's. It really pi33ed him off the way that it happened to the Eagle guys, too.

Those attitudes from the 80's helped to seal all our fates in aviation. If Eagle had been on AA's seniority list, and Comair on Delta's, etc., our lives would all be very different now. At least that military vs. civilian v. military attitude seems to have died out.

We need to stick together, now, more than ever!

In Unity,

B727DRVR

Roper92

That's what pride will do to you. I wonder how they felt watching their airline stagnate/shrink while the regionals grew exponentially. I wish we were all on one list as well. Oh well, lesson learned. Lets hope that the legacies do not cave on any more scope language.

madman moe

Yes and let's also hope that we all remember to stay true to this ideal when we (hopefully) make the jump sometime in the distant future.

Roper92

You got it!

JiffyLube

Other than USAIR who's mainline scope will allow RJs with >76 seats?