Originally Posted by propfails2FX

Join the military. It'll be one of the best moves for your personal and professional development. You'll hear a lot of talk about which service is the best, but to be honest they are all good.

Originally Posted by Latron

Sure it sucks having to get 3000 hours before moving to a regional. If the oppurtunity is there to start with one at 500 hours, anyone would do it. There is no historical constant for hiring.

Maybe we are forgetting that times change. Take a look back to the 60's when guys were getting hired with a Private pilot's license and 300 hours at majors! Why don't you go **** and moan to them too??

Don't get me wrong, I have all the respect in the world for guys that are working their way up. But to get mad at someone getting in earlier is just not right.

There is also the pay debate. Everyone talks about how terrible it is to accept a job as a pilot for low pay. So... should someone plan on instructing, building hours, flying crap 135, then moving on to regionals which equates to 10+ years of possible low pay?

or

Accept a regional job with low hours with the potential to move up to decent pay a lot sooner?

Originally Posted by detpilot

Thats why we aren't respected as professionals now... You think the above progression is "normal?" I thought pilots wanted to bring pay and benefits up across the board, not say "thank God those young guys are gonna have to suffer like I did."

I'd rather instruct my whole career than sit on the right of someone like you...

Originally Posted by detpilot

I'm not saying the EMB-120 is a bad airplane, but with your attitude I thought you'd be flying... oh, say the space shuttle? Respect is a give and take type of deal, and if you want respect then you probably shouldn't be so hypocritical. I'm sure you're an awesome pilot and hopefully you're not as much of a jerk as you come off as, but perhaps you should read the rest of my above post.

Originally Posted by detpilot

I agree, and I certainly know that I'll NEVER know everything about aviation. The day you stop learning is the day you die. I don't feel entitled to a job (even a CFI job), and I know first hand that some of the low time guys are arrogant jerks who think they know it all. But then, so are some of the high time guys. I apologize if I came off that way, and I accept your apology as well. Sounds like it's time for a round of beers, 'eh?

Originally Posted by detpilot

I'm not SAYING you guys didn't pay your dues. What I'm saying is you don't have to be such pricks to those who happened to have better luck- why not support them? It's called progress! If it was your a$$ getting called into the interview with 500 hours, you sure as hell wouldn't be turning it down.

And I will keep flying my Cirrus, until I get 1200 total time and then I'm going to find a 135 job, because I want to learn as much as I can from this aviation thing. I want to have flown a large variety of planes, etc, but that's a personal choice.


I understand that you guys had to work your a$$es off to get a regional job, but that doesn't mean it was right then or now. But to b--ch and moan about guys getting in with 500, 600, 700 hours, and then say you're happy that things are going back to the "Good old days" when you worked for 10 years to get to a $14,000 a year job is a bit hypocritical from the same people who talk about "raising the bar" and "pilots deserve more pay."

And furthermore, if you "grinded" to get all those "thousands" of hours, why are you still in an Emb-120?

Originally Posted by Slice

I don't think guys getting put in 121 cockpits with wet commercial tickets is progress. Aside from the lack of experience, judgment., etc., it only brings down the profession when you can go from 'Hey, I think I wanna be an airline pilot" to 121 cockpit in 6 months or less. It means your replacement is easy to find if you decide to 'stand up' for higher pay, QOL, etc.