MAG Captain RT Seat question
#11
2 parts
OK, I hope this helps:
1. If you are a CA and the company wants you to fly in the RT seat, what is required? Is it a checkride in the sim, a line check, nothing? I know the POI would have an agreement, but at MAG have YOU SEEN the list of requirements and if so, are the steps to make you "safe" in the RT seat being followed? It seems like each company uses different flows and checklists, so as a CA are you proficient at the RT seat flows etc.
2. QOL, why would any captain want to fly in the RT seat even if you are getting paid for the left? Seems like more TT will not help you get on to another job if you should try to do so in the future, but PIC time does help.
Thanks
1. If you are a CA and the company wants you to fly in the RT seat, what is required? Is it a checkride in the sim, a line check, nothing? I know the POI would have an agreement, but at MAG have YOU SEEN the list of requirements and if so, are the steps to make you "safe" in the RT seat being followed? It seems like each company uses different flows and checklists, so as a CA are you proficient at the RT seat flows etc.
2. QOL, why would any captain want to fly in the RT seat even if you are getting paid for the left? Seems like more TT will not help you get on to another job if you should try to do so in the future, but PIC time does help.
Thanks
#12
OK, I hope this helps:
1. If you are a CA and the company wants you to fly in the RT seat, what is required? Is it a checkride in the sim, a line check, nothing? I know the POI would have an agreement, but at MAG have YOU SEEN the list of requirements and if so, are the steps to make you "safe" in the RT seat being followed? It seems like each company uses different flows and checklists, so as a CA are you proficient at the RT seat flows etc.
2. QOL, why would any captain want to fly in the RT seat even if you are getting paid for the left? Seems like more TT will not help you get on to another job if you should try to do so in the future, but PIC time does help.
Thanks
1. If you are a CA and the company wants you to fly in the RT seat, what is required? Is it a checkride in the sim, a line check, nothing? I know the POI would have an agreement, but at MAG have YOU SEEN the list of requirements and if so, are the steps to make you "safe" in the RT seat being followed? It seems like each company uses different flows and checklists, so as a CA are you proficient at the RT seat flows etc.
2. QOL, why would any captain want to fly in the RT seat even if you are getting paid for the left? Seems like more TT will not help you get on to another job if you should try to do so in the future, but PIC time does help.
Thanks
I have done it twice (both when I was on reserve). As a captain, I am "current" on the F/O flows, as I watch F/O's do them daily, just as they watch me.
That's actually part of my breif at the beginning of a trip. "You watch me, and if you see me do something wrong or that confuses you, by all means speak up. I'll do the same thing for you, and lets go home in 4 days without having to fill out any NASA/ASAP reports."
As for you second question, for me, both times were while I was on reserve (essentially a Junior assignment). I do not, nor would I bid F/O open time or volunteer for right seat time. As you said, time that isn't PIC isn't exactly beneficial to me any longer.
To recap: All Mesa captains are legal and able to fly the right seat if so assigned.
#14
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: XJT CA
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I think it's as simple as if you're qualified to fly as a CA, you're qualified to fly as an FO - which in theory is less responsibilty. I don't see what the big mystery is. At XJT, if a CA is assigned by the company to fly as an FO, he/she still get CA pay. If a CA were to pick-up open-time as an FO, they'd be paid as an FO, but this situation still needs approval by the company. Back when we had T-props, there weren't any requirements that dictated a t-prop pilot upgrading to ERJ CA fly in the right seat. In fact, in the mid-90's, it wasn't uncommon for a Brazilia new-hire to be awarded Brazilia CA while in training and within 12-18 months to be in ERJ CA training.
#15
as with everything else in aviation, it depends on the airline and its ops specs/FAA approval, as some have said but seems like some dont want to believe. One shoe does not fit all in the airlines. I am not qualified to fly right seat in 121 ops at my airline as a CA.
#16
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Posts: 3,732
Now, you can potentially open up a big can of worms here. Mind you, I'm talking about a very specific set of circumstances. And there are a ton of guys that will disagree with this viewpoint. My viewpoint is based on my own experience and something I saw go on that I strongly disagreed with. If your airline allows CA's to pick up right seat open time and get CA pay for it cool. They need to pull their head out because it's expensive, but cool for a CA nonetheless if it's within the confines of the CBA. If you have some "entrepreneurial" CA's at your company that call scheduling and volunteer themselves to be JA'd for FO open time, whatever.
Now if you are short staffed, or worse, have pilots out on furlough, than the CA's in the above situation should be pulled aside and counseled, severely.
Now, we all know that by not picking up open time you are not going to get a furloughed pilot recalled and back to earing a paycheck.
But when you have a CA out there picking up right seat open time to boost his pay check and you have guys on the street, that's just lame.
#17
Now if you are short staffed, or worse, have pilots out on furlough, than the CA's in the above situation should be pulled aside and counseled, severely.
Now, we all know that by not picking up open time you are not going to get a furloughed pilot recalled and back to earing a paycheck.
But when you have a CA out there picking up right seat open time to boost his pay check and you have guys on the street, that's just lame.
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