Northwest / Delta Regional Flying
#11
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exactly what i said. by the end of the year we wont even have to speculate anymore. and it will be a while before anything really starts to happen.
#12
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Ok. but here are some facts:
1. Mesaba and Compass are owned by NW (will be part of the new Delta)
NW has been investing in Mesaba and Compass, and yes....at some point they may want to sell both companies, but for know, they want them to grow and make money.
2. Pinnacle (with the exception of Delta Connection operation) is a pure 50 seater operator. Does the conctract give you the option to replace those 50 seaters for 76 seaters? YES. Have NW even mention the possiblity of giving PNCL 900s? NO. They might in the future, but for now 50 seaters got to go, and I don't think they will be able to replace them in a short term with 129 900s....
3. There's a 10 year contract, but I wonder........what's going to happen with that contract if we strike?
I don't want to sound all negative, but I think is time to look at the signs too. Rough times ahead......
1. Mesaba and Compass are owned by NW (will be part of the new Delta)
NW has been investing in Mesaba and Compass, and yes....at some point they may want to sell both companies, but for know, they want them to grow and make money.
2. Pinnacle (with the exception of Delta Connection operation) is a pure 50 seater operator. Does the conctract give you the option to replace those 50 seaters for 76 seaters? YES. Have NW even mention the possiblity of giving PNCL 900s? NO. They might in the future, but for now 50 seaters got to go, and I don't think they will be able to replace them in a short term with 129 900s....
3. There's a 10 year contract, but I wonder........what's going to happen with that contract if we strike?
I don't want to sound all negative, but I think is time to look at the signs too. Rough times ahead......
#13
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I doubt any of the regionals will really know what is really going to happen for at least another year. The dust from the merger won't settle enough to touch the regionals for a long time, if ever.
#14
it very well could take a little longer than that for things to work themselves out. my guess is things won't be clear til the end of '09.
#15
1. being owned by delta/nwa means nothing. that is the problem there. infact if we were wholly owned i would be more worried than if we werent. if someone could clarify i would like to know if compass/mesaba/comair actually have binding contract for x amount of flying that they have to do. i think that is what S.E. was refering to when he said some of our buddies dont even have a contract. sure they mentioned their name in the conference call but that means nothing. did they mention skywest, no. is there a chance in hell they will get rid of their largest and one of their best regionals, no. so the easiest people you can cut back on regional flying would be the people that you own and have no contract with.
2. who cares about nwa anymore? delta will own nwa by the end of the year and guess who we have the 900 contract with? delta.
3. it wont matter. when we get released we will have a contract in 30 days and 30 seconds, like a guy on our boards says.
2. who cares about nwa anymore? delta will own nwa by the end of the year and guess who we have the 900 contract with? delta.
3. it wont matter. when we get released we will have a contract in 30 days and 30 seconds, like a guy on our boards says.
I believe comair is required to have at least 41% of the DCI flying per contract/agreement.
#16
I'm not trying to jump on the "doom and gloom" bandwagon, but jeez you 9E guys who actually think that you're in a GOOD situation are killing me!
How are you going to fly your wonderful 10 year contract if you're sitting on the other side of a picket line?
If NewDelta does try to back out of your contract, even illegally, how long do you think PNCL can afford to stay in court against the largest airline in the WORLD (with billions in cash in the bank)?
Why do you think that if you get the contract you deserve, *poof* instantly overnight everyone will magically be happy, productive, and efficient enough to be competitive?
Don't take this as bashing 9E, i'm not, I've got a LOT of friends there from new hires to captains to check airmen and even scheduling, and I wish them all the best. But as they say, "Denial" isn't just a river in Egypt...
How are you going to fly your wonderful 10 year contract if you're sitting on the other side of a picket line?
If NewDelta does try to back out of your contract, even illegally, how long do you think PNCL can afford to stay in court against the largest airline in the WORLD (with billions in cash in the bank)?
Why do you think that if you get the contract you deserve, *poof* instantly overnight everyone will magically be happy, productive, and efficient enough to be competitive?
Don't take this as bashing 9E, i'm not, I've got a LOT of friends there from new hires to captains to check airmen and even scheduling, and I wish them all the best. But as they say, "Denial" isn't just a river in Egypt...
#18
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I'm not trying to jump on the "doom and gloom" bandwagon, but jeez you 9E guys who actually think that you're in a GOOD situation are killing me!
How are you going to fly your wonderful 10 year contract if you're sitting on the other side of a picket line?
If NewDelta does try to back out of your contract, even illegally, how long do you think PNCL can afford to stay in court against the largest airline in the WORLD (with billions in cash in the bank)?
Why do you think that if you get the contract you deserve, *poof* instantly overnight everyone will magically be happy, productive, and efficient enough to be competitive?
Don't take this as bashing 9E, i'm not, I've got a LOT of friends there from new hires to captains to check airmen and even scheduling, and I wish them all the best. But as they say, "Denial" isn't just a river in Egypt...
How are you going to fly your wonderful 10 year contract if you're sitting on the other side of a picket line?
If NewDelta does try to back out of your contract, even illegally, how long do you think PNCL can afford to stay in court against the largest airline in the WORLD (with billions in cash in the bank)?
Why do you think that if you get the contract you deserve, *poof* instantly overnight everyone will magically be happy, productive, and efficient enough to be competitive?
Don't take this as bashing 9E, i'm not, I've got a LOT of friends there from new hires to captains to check airmen and even scheduling, and I wish them all the best. But as they say, "Denial" isn't just a river in Egypt...
delta trying to get out of the contract "ILLEGALLY" wouldn't even make sense and they wouldn't do it. they could have done it to mesa years ago but they waited till they could legally do it. i wouldn't think that an airline who is trying to win approval by the government and the people would start illegally doing anything.
and i never said that when we get a new contract that overnight we will all be happy. they dont even follow the current contract we have. but our lives and pocket books would be a lot better if we did get a new contract. is there any doubt in that? they may still not follow it but if we get a good enough contract we will actually have something to fight back with instead of our open to interpretation contract that we have right now. and we were the most efficient rj operator in the world for 2 years according to bombardier. and that was with the **** poor contract we have now.
and i don't care if you bash pinnacle. that stuff doesn't matter to me. all i have ever stated on here is MY experience at pinnacle. some have had it much worse than me, and some have had it better. lots of people try and bash pinnacle but it doesn't phase me because most of what they say has never happened to me. and thats the way i like it. i don't pick up opentime, i don't answer the phone for jm assignements, and i bid for max days off and usually get 18-20 a month. its hard to hate a place you are only at 10 days a month. i spend most of my time playing with my son and hanging out with family and friends.
but just because my life is good doesn't mean i am not ready and willing to strike for the better of the pilot group. we are all in this together.
Last edited by Airsupport; 04-17-2008 at 08:34 PM.
#19
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30 days 30 seconds...nuff said.
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