ToiletDuck

Show me a single post where I've ever bashed the company or those that work there. Someone pointing out a COLA at Chautuaqua has nothing to do with a COLA at XJT. It's plain and simple. Different situations exists for each. I've never hated on the company or the pilot group ever. This is a public forum where we're talking about the financial health of a company is a perfectly acceptable topic and one I didn't start. Once it's out there it's out there for public opinion. In the past week or so I've seen post on Delta, Northwest, United, Continental, Mesa, ATA, Skybus, Aloha, Champion, Skyway, Midwest, RAH, UPS and SWA's financial health. The only ones who can't seem to come to terms with what's going on are the few who've been posting here.

Several are saying "Things are looking up" or "Our March numbers are better" or "We've hedged our fuel" but what I see is declining market share, operating in the red, COLAs, dwindling stock, and mainlines acknowledging they plan on cutting more regional flying. The place might be the best current regional to work at and I'll give it that. But it's financial health isn't looking too good. Come down off the cross and stop mixing the kool-aid trying to get the rest of us to drink it.

From the first post about XJT starting branded flying of "We aren't Indy air" to "If any management can do it ours can", "Oh it's operating startup cost", "we're looking to spread to new markets", "it takes time for brand recognition", and "oil is rising" it's all be said. I don't think anyone here has said any of the statements people are making are wrong. Yes fuel cost have something to do with it. Yes start-up cost will always hit someone. All true statements but no matter how you slice it the company is losing money. Some of your post look like the frog in the pot.

dojetdriver

Thank you for proving my point. It DEPENDS on the CBA. In the case of an XJT pilot being gone for a year, he wouldn't have accrued that longevity pay rate. Furloughed right at year 3, recalled at year 4, STILL comes back at year 3 rate.

Maybe CHQ has a different provision in their contract when it comes to furloughs. And kudos for them if a furloughed pilot accrues pay on furlough. Based on YOUR original post regarding being gone for a year, you can decide whether or not you are wrong.

ToiletDuck

So your point was backing my original statement? I'm confused now. You went from saying I was wrong and doing your best to insult to taking my words, reconfiguring them a little, then putting them back out as your own.

Based on my original post did you read it? Did you see it says it depends on what is negotiated? You've apparently agreed to that so taking a low blow to me for typing it then turning around and supporting it is confusing.

Then you say "If only I had a clue" then respond with

Hrmmmmmm. I'm wondering what your point was. I never said I knew what XJTs furlough agreement was. All I said is what's so different between your COLA and a furlough. I event put a "?" mark by it indicating it was a question. So before you go off on some random tangent where you work your way off to a different topic why not just answer the question? How is your COLA different than a furlough? Benefits and apparently you don't get accrual. Question answered. Some offer accrual like AA so it was a reasonable question. So sensitive.

dojetdriver

Here is the original statement I'm talking about;

Sorry, but the statement is WRONG. A furloughed pilot under XJT's CBA does not accrue pay longevity. A furloughed pilot does NOT maintain his pay status. Sorry, I don't know of any other way to tell you that YOUR original statement was incorrect.

The first part says a pilot accrues pay longevity, the second part says it depends on the "conditions established when the furloughs happen". Further adding confusion to what you THINK you are talking about. Also, pay longevity depends; did the union negotiate an LOA to change the furlough language? Or, are the pilots being furloughed and subject to contractual language that what written YEARS before their furlough?

ToiletDuck

What statement are you reading? I never said anything about a furloughed pilot under XJT's CBA. Not once. Someone said "We keep our longevity pay" so I asked how that was different from a furlough. A simple "We don't get longevity pay according to our CBA in the event of a furlough" would have answered it. I didn't say an XJT pilot keeps longevity. I said a pilot in furlough CAN still maintain his seniority accrual and it it depends on the conditions established. Which is why I asked what the difference was. I didn't make any incorrect statements. You read incorrectly, or perhaps too quickly, so that you could see what you wanted to see then jump on and try a quick insult as you always seem to do. Do you see me doing whatever I can to call you out time and time again? Nope. It's called staying civil. You've been called out on it before by others as well. Why do it? It isn't healthy that's the first place you go to. Even if you thought I was wrong about something you could still act like an adult about it. When you fire off so fast like this it makes you seem extremely sensitive about your job. If you are then I'd advise not to get on a public forum where people talk about it a lot. You don't see people from other airlines carrying on in this manner. You and tpersuit need to take stress management courses or sensitivity training or something. We're here to walk around eggshells around you guys just waiting for you to go flying off the handle at someone.

dojetdriver

Trying to explain it anymore is like clapping with one hand.

tpersuit

See Toilet, you seem to be coming of as a flamebait. You state no actual facts to say why XJT is going down, and indirectly insult XJT at every turn.

You ignore the fact we hedged fuel and that our March Load Factor numbers were 73%. I'm guessing we'd be better if we had not hedged? Give me actual facts that we are not financially sound.

Actual airplanes of RAH have been pulled from CAL, that is a fact. Where has actual airplanes been pulled for XJT?

As for XJT not being Indy, that is fact. Indy was operating all by itself and against United. Look at XJT's Branded system. We don't compete against the big guys and its less than 20% of our operation. If I had to start up my own company I would rather have another profitable operation helping it along.

ToiletDuck

Wat Ev holmes. Talk to the hand.

DeadHead

Newark, NJ

ToiletDuck

Ok since you asked for it, but just this one last time.
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2. They are offering COLAs

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4. CAL is looking to drop XJT's ground operations for another client.


So you know the () around numbers on the financial sheets mean negative.

Besides the first 69? Any feeder for CAL can expect a drop in business. Hours will be cut. Once CHQs contract on the CRJs is up, which isn't too far away, it's possible there will be no renewed contract with them. Four are already gone. The 145s still have several years to go. I've never said XJT is going down and don't expect them to. There are several places they can still cut fat. Managements know how to survive.