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04-17-2008, 09:24 AM

#61

ToiletDuck

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This loss is exactly what isn't needed. Hard to get paycuts back with money going out and hard to keep arguing scope when other airlines are flying larger more efficient jets. CAL had a short contract with us on our CRJs so by not renewing that flying they could cut a decent amount right there.

04-17-2008, 09:47 AM

#62

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

When their month or two is up are they guaranteed a spot back and the company will replace them with someone else if no one chooses? They did this last time for a friend of mine.

No...un-voluntary COLA wouldn't be a COLA, it would be furlough.

This is not to say that we are safe beyond this summer...this merger stuff is going to do some unpredictable things to all regionals.

04-17-2008, 09:48 AM

#63

NightIP

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

A furloughed pilot maintains his seniority and can still maintain his seniority accrual. So if you were a 3yr FO when furloughed and are gone for a year then when you come back you could be paid at 4th year status. Sorry to break it to you.

Again, for someone who supposedly knows a lot about everything, you don't know the difference between seniority and longevity.

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

I don't see many people traveling the world over with no paycheck esp. when they've only had regional pay to build up their nestegg on. So yea. What's the diff?

Tell that to my first year ONT FO buddy who's doing precisely that. Not everyone's first job was as a regional FO or broke CFI. Other people I know have decided to take the COLAs to go pursue other interests other than being a regional FO and help build that nestegg.

Seriously ToiletDuck, stop talking about things you obviously don't know a thing about. It's getting very old.

04-17-2008, 09:50 AM

#64

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Originally Posted by Ottopilot

Continental also expects to reduce regional jet capacity beginning in the fall 2008; however, its plans are fluid as it is attempting to negotiate better economics with ExpressJet, and as the CRJs flown for Continental by Chautauqua come off lease.

This can't be good for Express.

Nope, not good news for us or Chautauqua. Then a merger and who knows. Only thing they can do is reduce block hours. They can't take away any jets until December 2009, per the current CPA...unless a new CPA is negotiated or a merger puts a wrecking ball in to everything.

04-17-2008, 09:57 AM

#65

dojetdriver

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

My point was you still don't get a paycheck. I don't care how you slice it not getting paid is not getting paid. A furloughed pilot maintains his seniority and can still maintain his seniority accrual. So if you were a 3yr FO when furloughed and are gone for a year then when you come back you could be paid at 4th year status. Sorry to break it to you. It depends on the conditions established when the furloughs happen. You should know this, but I'm not surprised.

It depends on the CBA. Ask a pilot furloughed from UAL in 2001 what his pay rate was when he was recalled in 2007. Do you think he went to 6th year pay rate?

Conversely, ask a furloughed DAL pilot what pay rate he went to when recalled. That is assuming he didn't bypass due to language in the DAL CBA.

Sorry to break it to YOU, YOU should know this, but I'm not surprised you don't.

For somebody like you and your lack of airline pilot experience to lecture me on the ins and outs of furloughs is pretty laughable.

Last edited by dojetdriver; 04-17-2008 at 10:11 AM.

04-17-2008, 10:02 AM

#66

de727ups

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Let's cut out the petty sarcasim that does nothing but bring the thread down. It's a step away from flamebait.

Directed at no one in particular. Just hate to see this thread go downhill.

04-17-2008, 10:24 AM

#67

JetBlast77

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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck

Yes. That has what to do with XJT? Absolutely nothing. Thanks for asking though.

You can bash all you want Toilet, I'm not even there and it makes me sick to read your obnoxious posts bashing XJT (directly or indirectly). With all these mergers happening, I'm glad I'm not towards the bottom of any seniority list.

Oh, and congratulations on establishing yourself as a hater on this forum. Your credibility as far as I'm concerned is gone. Flame on.

04-17-2008, 10:28 AM

#68

ToiletDuck

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Originally Posted by dojetdriver

Ask an AA pilot being recalled where his pay rate went. Just like I sated before it depends on what's negotiated for the furlough. You can take what cheap shots you think you can take but I'm not wrong.