Who else is tired???????????????
04-15-2008, 02:48 PM
#271
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: Out
Posts: 448
Yes and this is the kind of representation you get with an ALPA rep......someone in a dark place who doesn't like the profession. I feel sorry for the XJet EWR folks. What a gip.
So SAAB, you don't like charter, don't like 7 on 7 off, don't like night flying and you don't like 121 as a whole. Ya know man I don't like the sight of blood, working 48 hrs straight, dealing with unscrupulous HMO's and working the ER for years on end as a resident........THATS WHY I DIDN'T BECOME A DOCTOR!!!!!!
So SAAB, you don't like charter, don't like 7 on 7 off, don't like night flying and you don't like 121 as a whole. Ya know man I don't like the sight of blood, working 48 hrs straight, dealing with unscrupulous HMO's and working the ER for years on end as a resident........THATS WHY I DIDN'T BECOME A DOCTOR!!!!!!
As professional pilot you can make 1/10th of a Doctor's salary...On the side note, SAAB is at least aware of how crappy this industry has become and is trying to do something about. But it's a hard fight if some people that he is trying to fight for tell him that he's "crying".
I have an idea for all the guys that always tell others to "suck it up". Maybe with the hard times ahead we should all help out our wonderful management and ask for another pay cut, after all it's not like we fly for the money. Let's suck it up and help our lines survive because we just love flying so much, more than money and stability in life. (that's based on some of previous posts)
04-15-2008, 02:52 PM
#272
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: dogstyle
Posts: 375
Good for you As professional pilot you can make 1/10th of a Doctor's salary...
On the side note, SAAB is at least aware of how crappy this industry has become and is trying to do something about. But it's a hard fight if some people that he is trying to fight for tell him that he's "crying".
I have a idea for all the guys that always tell others to "suck it up". Maybe with the hard times ahead we should all help out our wonderful management and ask for another pay cut, after all it's not like we fly for the money. Let's suck it up and help our lines survive because we just love flying so much, more than money and stability in life. (that's based on some of previous posts)
As professional pilot you can make 1/10th of a Doctor's salary...On the side note, SAAB is at least aware of how crappy this industry has become and is trying to do something about. But it's a hard fight if some people that he is trying to fight for tell him that he's "crying".
I have a idea for all the guys that always tell others to "suck it up". Maybe with the hard times ahead we should all help out our wonderful management and ask for another pay cut, after all it's not like we fly for the money. Let's suck it up and help our lines survive because we just love flying so much, more than money and stability in life. (that's based on some of previous posts)
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04-15-2008, 03:03 PM
#273
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Joined APC: Sep 2005
Posts: 722
His post was not ignorant. Simply the yin to your yang. He is making a good point, a mentality that you seem to be defending. That we know what the situation entails and should just put up and shut up. To say that is to imply that things are ok the way they are. Do you think the current wages, work rules etc. are satisfactory?
04-15-2008, 03:11 PM
#274
Used to get weekends off
Joined APC: Dec 2006
Position: BusFo
Posts: 581
"the 7 on, 7 off is a deal breaker..............How the hell can you have a solid family life like that?"
HAHA...now I know you're in the wrong business. 7/7 is a great schedule. Typical where I work in what you would consider one of the best jobs out there. A job even Sky considers worthy. If you can't make 7/7work, follow Sky's advice, and find another line of work.
HAHA...now I know you're in the wrong business. 7/7 is a great schedule. Typical where I work in what you would consider one of the best jobs out there. A job even Sky considers worthy. If you can't make 7/7work, follow Sky's advice, and find another line of work.
04-15-2008, 04:33 PM
#275
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
"7 an 7 is subjective...my opinion, it sucks."
Stay away from cargo.
Stay away from cargo.
04-15-2008, 04:39 PM
#276
Day puke
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: Out.
Posts: 3,865
Good for you ... But it's a hard fight if some people that he is trying to fight for tell him that he's "crying".
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I have an idea for all the guys that always tell others to "suck it up". Maybe with the hard times ahead we should all help out our wonderful management and ask for another pay cut, after all it's not like we fly for the money.
... But it's a hard fight if some people that he is trying to fight for tell him that he's "crying". ...
I have an idea for all the guys that always tell others to "suck it up". Maybe with the hard times ahead we should all help out our wonderful management and ask for another pay cut, after all it's not like we fly for the money.
v.intr.
1. To sob or shed tears because of grief, sorrow, or pain; weep.
2. To call loudly; shout.
3. To utter a characteristic sound or call. Used of an animal.
4. To demand or require immediate action or remedy: grievances crying out for redress.
No, I dint think he is crying. Perhaps it could be argued that he is crying under definition #4, but it would be a fallacy.
The problem I have with what he says is he offers no solution to the industry's problems except to only work for XJT and maybe one or two others. He HAS worked at a "bottom feeder". I wonder what he actually did to improve life there? Did he ACTIVELY seek union representation or even participate in the CPG (granted a weak alternative, but it would show effort). Instead of moaning about "Screw Scheduling," did he try submitting suggestions how improve life for both sides? Or did he just wave his arms and say the industry treats him badly?
As for "our wonderful management", you picked your employer. Did you do some research about who leads your company. Heck most airlines have a who-we-are page on their website, and google is great too.
I whole heartedly welcome constructive advice. Life could be better, and I am willing to WORK to improve it. But crying, "woe is me" does not make anything better.
04-15-2008, 04:47 PM
#278
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Long Hours
SkyHigh
04-15-2008, 04:56 PM
#279
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Position: A-320
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Cry
v.intr.
1. To sob or shed tears because of grief, sorrow, or pain; weep.
2. To call loudly; shout.
3. To utter a characteristic sound or call. Used of an animal.
4. To demand or require immediate action or remedy: grievances crying out for redress.
No, I dint think he is crying. Perhaps it could be argued that he is crying under definition #4, but it would be a fallacy.
The problem I have with what he says is he offers no solution to the industry's problems except to only work for XJT and maybe one or two others. He HAS worked at a "bottom feeder". I wonder what he actually did to improve life there? Did he ACTIVELY seek union representation or even participate in the CPG (granted a weak alternative, but it would show effort). Instead of moaning about "Screw Scheduling," did he try submitting suggestions how improve life for both sides? Or did he just wave his arms and say the industry treats him badly?
As for "our wonderful management", you picked your employer. Did you do some research about who leads your company. Heck most airlines have a who-we-are page on their website, and google is great too.
I whole heartedly welcome constructive advice. Life could be better, and I am willing to WORK to improve it. But crying, "woe is me" does not make anything better.
v.intr.
1. To sob or shed tears because of grief, sorrow, or pain; weep.
2. To call loudly; shout.
3. To utter a characteristic sound or call. Used of an animal.
4. To demand or require immediate action or remedy: grievances crying out for redress.
No, I dint think he is crying. Perhaps it could be argued that he is crying under definition #4, but it would be a fallacy.
The problem I have with what he says is he offers no solution to the industry's problems except to only work for XJT and maybe one or two others. He HAS worked at a "bottom feeder". I wonder what he actually did to improve life there? Did he ACTIVELY seek union representation or even participate in the CPG (granted a weak alternative, but it would show effort). Instead of moaning about "Screw Scheduling," did he try submitting suggestions how improve life for both sides? Or did he just wave his arms and say the industry treats him badly?
As for "our wonderful management", you picked your employer. Did you do some research about who leads your company. Heck most airlines have a who-we-are page on their website, and google is great too.
I whole heartedly welcome constructive advice. Life could be better, and I am willing to WORK to improve it. But crying, "woe is me" does not make anything better.
I am not going to turn this into a Colgan thread, however there was no "CPG" when I was there, and it was my first 121 airline, I thought being re-assigned everyday and sleeping in hangers was done at every airline.
04-15-2008, 04:58 PM
#280
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: Out
Posts: 448
Cry
v.intr.
1. To sob or shed tears because of grief, sorrow, or pain; weep.
2. To call loudly; shout.
3. To utter a characteristic sound or call. Used of an animal.
4. To demand or require immediate action or remedy: grievances crying out for redress.
No, I dint think he is crying. Perhaps it could be argued that he is crying under definition #4, but it would be a fallacy.
The problem I have with what he says is he offers no solution to the industry's problems except to only work for XJT and maybe one or two others. He HAS worked at a "bottom feeder". I wonder what he actually did to improve life there? Did he ACTIVELY seek union representation or even participate in the CPG (granted a weak alternative, but it would show effort). Instead of moaning about "Screw Scheduling," did he try submitting suggestions how improve life for both sides? Or did he just wave his arms and say the industry treats him badly?
As for "our wonderful management", you picked your employer. Did you do some research about who leads your company. Heck most airlines have a who-we-are page on their website, and google is great too.
I whole heartedly welcome constructive advice. Life could be better, and I am willing to WORK to improve it. But crying, "woe is me" does not make anything better.
v.intr.
1. To sob or shed tears because of grief, sorrow, or pain; weep.
2. To call loudly; shout.
3. To utter a characteristic sound or call. Used of an animal.
4. To demand or require immediate action or remedy: grievances crying out for redress.
No, I dint think he is crying. Perhaps it could be argued that he is crying under definition #4, but it would be a fallacy.
The problem I have with what he says is he offers no solution to the industry's problems except to only work for XJT and maybe one or two others. He HAS worked at a "bottom feeder". I wonder what he actually did to improve life there? Did he ACTIVELY seek union representation or even participate in the CPG (granted a weak alternative, but it would show effort). Instead of moaning about "Screw Scheduling," did he try submitting suggestions how improve life for both sides? Or did he just wave his arms and say the industry treats him badly?
As for "our wonderful management", you picked your employer. Did you do some research about who leads your company. Heck most airlines have a who-we-are page on their website, and google is great too.
I whole heartedly welcome constructive advice. Life could be better, and I am willing to WORK to improve it. But crying, "woe is me" does not make anything better.
I work as a bar back (getting cases, changing kegs, etc.) at a local pub two or three nights a month. I get a small cut of the tips ($30-40 for an evening), but the best part is I haven't PAID for a drink in weeks."
I bet you cry once in while when you come home from the glamorous job of an airline pilot and as you fall asleep you just remembered that you have to go to work at a bar just make ends meet...
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