Who else is tired???????????????
04-14-2008, 05:44 AM
#191
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Anybody else want to give up and go find another job where we can easily make more then we do as a regional pilots, not to mention weekends off? If it isn't bankruptcies or oil, its who is going top buy who blah blah blah.
The flying is ok, the schedule has potential to be great ( I love day trips and 4-day weekends), EVERYTHING else...well kinda blows....
If you guys think there will be a pilot shortage in the next 20 years, you are kidding yourselves, if it isn't for the miserable Age 65, or the airlines with 1,000's of pilots about to be out of a job, looking for a new one, it will be the ridiculous Multi Crew Pilots license.
If only I went to Riddle, I could of went from Graduation day to A320 Class.........
Flame away my good friends, flame away
The flying is ok, the schedule has potential to be great ( I love day trips and 4-day weekends), EVERYTHING else...well kinda blows....
If you guys think there will be a pilot shortage in the next 20 years, you are kidding yourselves, if it isn't for the miserable Age 65, or the airlines with 1,000's of pilots about to be out of a job, looking for a new one, it will be the ridiculous Multi Crew Pilots license.
If only I went to Riddle, I could of went from Graduation day to A320 Class.........
Flame away my good friends, flame away
You have to stop hangin out with all of your upper class New York friends! You could move to the sticks in the Midwest and you'd be filthy rich!
04-14-2008, 05:57 AM
#192
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Just remember
Saab, Thanks for this thread.
As a first year FO I will barely break 20k this year. My younger brother is starting the police academy and will make $50,000 starting pay. I know that police work has its stresses and dangers, but paying $20k to fly a jet while holding the lives of 50+ people in your hands is criminal. I have a hard time sleeping. I get 3 to 4 hours at night. I am always worried about how to pay the utility bills and if I there will be anything left.
I prepared for this first year as best that I could. I had $3000 saved and no car or credit card payments to meet. Now, my savings are gone, $3000 on a credit card and I have begun getting food at the food bank just trying to make it. I am now asking myself at what point is MY desire to be a pilot adversely affecting the quality of life not only of myself, but most importantly the QOL of my family.
Just a little rant about Livin' the dream!
As a first year FO I will barely break 20k this year. My younger brother is starting the police academy and will make $50,000 starting pay. I know that police work has its stresses and dangers, but paying $20k to fly a jet while holding the lives of 50+ people in your hands is criminal. I have a hard time sleeping. I get 3 to 4 hours at night. I am always worried about how to pay the utility bills and if I there will be anything left.
I prepared for this first year as best that I could. I had $3000 saved and no car or credit card payments to meet. Now, my savings are gone, $3000 on a credit card and I have begun getting food at the food bank just trying to make it. I am now asking myself at what point is MY desire to be a pilot adversely affecting the quality of life not only of myself, but most importantly the QOL of my family.
Just a little rant about Livin' the dream!
As a professional pilot you might get to enjoy first year pay several times over your career. If you get laid off or furloughed and have to start over you get to enjoy 20K all over again. If you make it to a major you can also endure another first year (some majors pay as little as 24K) to be followed by a furlough and yet another stint of first year wages.
If you think it is difficult to make it on 20K when single and in your 20's just wait till you get to do it when you are 40 and have a family.
SkyHigh
04-14-2008, 06:05 AM
#193
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Think what you want, I suppose. In the Southeastern US, a new grad nurse will start out at around $20/hr, with virtually unlimited overtime. After a year of experience, you can start as a Travel Nurse. Travel RN pay rates are as high as $60/hr. If you go back and get your Masters and become a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, you can easily earn upwards of $150,000 per year and NO FURLOUGHS.
I am not questioning your decision, but merely pointing out the facts. Please refrain from calling me a liar when you don't know the facts.
I am not questioning your decision, but merely pointing out the facts. Please refrain from calling me a liar when you don't know the facts.
04-14-2008, 06:14 AM
#194
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Posts: 37
Good grief...
I must reiterate an earlier post:
If nobody would accept these crappy low wages and tell EVERY interviewer "NO THANKS - I'LL PASS" this situation would fix itself in a hurry.
But instead we have a fresh, bumper crop of Richie Buck$ Airline Flight School grads coming to market every year. Most are delusional with SJS and still believe they will be making money soon, like those pilots "they've heard about". Nobody has told them that ship sailed long ago.
The fix is obvious but most likely unobtainable.
If you are a kid thinking of going to flight school reading this - save your mommy and daddy's money and go get a nice BS or PHD degree. Get a computer/tech related degree. Trust me on this. If you cannot resist and MUST fly - put on your boots and prepare to wade through endless sh*t while starving.
.02
If nobody would accept these crappy low wages and tell EVERY interviewer "NO THANKS - I'LL PASS" this situation would fix itself in a hurry.
But instead we have a fresh, bumper crop of Richie Buck$ Airline Flight School grads coming to market every year. Most are delusional with SJS and still believe they will be making money soon, like those pilots "they've heard about". Nobody has told them that ship sailed long ago.
The fix is obvious but most likely unobtainable.
If you are a kid thinking of going to flight school reading this - save your mommy and daddy's money and go get a nice BS or PHD degree. Get a computer/tech related degree. Trust me on this. If you cannot resist and MUST fly - put on your boots and prepare to wade through endless sh*t while starving.
.02
04-14-2008, 07:56 AM
#195
Gets Weekends Off
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Position: CRJ-900 FO, Supra left seat
Posts: 303
04-14-2008, 09:15 AM
#196
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Joined APC: Apr 2007
Posts: 116
I must reiterate an earlier post:
If nobody would accept these crappy low wages and tell EVERY interviewer "NO THANKS - I'LL PASS" this situation would fix itself in a hurry.
But instead we have a fresh, bumper crop of Richie Buck$ Airline Flight School grads coming to market every year. Most are delusional with SJS and still believe they will be making money soon, like those pilots "they've heard about". Nobody has told them that ship sailed long ago.
The fix is obvious but most likely unobtainable.
If you are a kid thinking of going to flight school reading this - save your mommy and daddy's money and go get a nice BS or PHD degree. Get a computer/tech related degree. Trust me on this. If you cannot resist and MUST fly - put on your boots and prepare to wade through endless sh*t while starving.
.02
If nobody would accept these crappy low wages and tell EVERY interviewer "NO THANKS - I'LL PASS" this situation would fix itself in a hurry.
But instead we have a fresh, bumper crop of Richie Buck$ Airline Flight School grads coming to market every year. Most are delusional with SJS and still believe they will be making money soon, like those pilots "they've heard about". Nobody has told them that ship sailed long ago.
The fix is obvious but most likely unobtainable.
If you are a kid thinking of going to flight school reading this - save your mommy and daddy's money and go get a nice BS or PHD degree. Get a computer/tech related degree. Trust me on this. If you cannot resist and MUST fly - put on your boots and prepare to wade through endless sh*t while starving.
.02
Just curious what you do for a living?
04-14-2008, 10:42 AM
#197
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Posts: 37
Job
I am a corporate pilot for the very reasons listed above. I love to fly but I like to have two dimes to rub together, too. I paid my dues and waded through flight instructing, and a night cargo 135 job. Great experiences, although I do not want to do them again.
I guess I should have said "If you really want to fly heavy iron..."
And yes, I am aware that finding a good corporate gig is not easy, but it can be done.
I am further aware that a percentage of 121 guys will go on to make good money and that is the allure.
Good luck. (No sarcasm - I really wish all pilots the best)
I guess I should have said "If you really want to fly heavy iron..."
And yes, I am aware that finding a good corporate gig is not easy, but it can be done.
I am further aware that a percentage of 121 guys will go on to make good money and that is the allure.
Good luck. (No sarcasm - I really wish all pilots the best)
04-14-2008, 10:58 AM
#198
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Well Done
I must reiterate an earlier post:
If nobody would accept these crappy low wages and tell EVERY interviewer "NO THANKS - I'LL PASS" this situation would fix itself in a hurry.
But instead we have a fresh, bumper crop of Richie Buck$ Airline Flight School grads coming to market every year. Most are delusional with SJS and still believe they will be making money soon, like those pilots "they've heard about". Nobody has told them that ship sailed long ago.
The fix is obvious but most likely unobtainable.
If you are a kid thinking of going to flight school reading this - save your mommy and daddy's money and go get a nice BS or PHD degree. Get a computer/tech related degree. Trust me on this. If you cannot resist and MUST fly - put on your boots and prepare to wade through endless sh*t while starving.
.02
If nobody would accept these crappy low wages and tell EVERY interviewer "NO THANKS - I'LL PASS" this situation would fix itself in a hurry.
But instead we have a fresh, bumper crop of Richie Buck$ Airline Flight School grads coming to market every year. Most are delusional with SJS and still believe they will be making money soon, like those pilots "they've heard about". Nobody has told them that ship sailed long ago.
The fix is obvious but most likely unobtainable.
If you are a kid thinking of going to flight school reading this - save your mommy and daddy's money and go get a nice BS or PHD degree. Get a computer/tech related degree. Trust me on this. If you cannot resist and MUST fly - put on your boots and prepare to wade through endless sh*t while starving.
.02
SkyHigh
04-14-2008, 11:10 AM
#200
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Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Past
Back when I started the average age of new hires at the majors was 27 and you were pretty much out of the running by 30. Given that situation an aviation career was a survivable proposition. Even if you didn't make it by 30 at least you could move on.
If you did make it to a major then you were young enough to be able to deal with first year low wages and a furlough or two. A few years ago Air Inc listed the average age of new hires at the majors as 38 years old. Now that the age 65 rule is in effect I suppose the average age could move into the lower 40's.
Given the current state of our profession if I were to be a 19 year old kid today I never would even consider even getting a private license let alone choosing aviation as a profession. I love to fly but I have a strong interest in self preservation and in living a good life.
SkyHigh
If you did make it to a major then you were young enough to be able to deal with first year low wages and a furlough or two. A few years ago Air Inc listed the average age of new hires at the majors as 38 years old. Now that the age 65 rule is in effect I suppose the average age could move into the lower 40's.
Given the current state of our profession if I were to be a 19 year old kid today I never would even consider even getting a private license let alone choosing aviation as a profession. I love to fly but I have a strong interest in self preservation and in living a good life.
SkyHigh
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