Who else is tired???????????????
04-12-2008, 05:59 PM
#141
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Very few know how crappy things are coming in. Granted, you can do a lot of research online and get copy's of contracts. But that is something "new".
It really ticks me off when everyone says "you knew this coming in". BULL! They drink the KOOL AID management feeds them because there is no one to tell them any different. The only way they LEARN is by experiencing it! Don't tell me you knew how everything was going to be when you went to your first airline.
Of course this job is better than some flight instructing/freight/ect gigs, but that doesn't mean it isn't crappy.
I think the people who complain are the ones who've worked for good companies in the past and got spoiled. The ones who don't complain are the ones who don't know any better and are use to being treated like crap.
If I know what I know now. I would NEVER have gotten into aviation.
Oh well...Hind sight.
It really ticks me off when everyone says "you knew this coming in". BULL! They drink the KOOL AID management feeds them because there is no one to tell them any different. The only way they LEARN is by experiencing it! Don't tell me you knew how everything was going to be when you went to your first airline.
Of course this job is better than some flight instructing/freight/ect gigs, but that doesn't mean it isn't crappy.
I think the people who complain are the ones who've worked for good companies in the past and got spoiled. The ones who don't complain are the ones who don't know any better and are use to being treated like crap.
If I know what I know now. I would NEVER have gotten into aviation.
Oh well...Hind sight.
04-12-2008, 06:03 PM
#142
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I'll stop complaining when conditions ands pay improve, unlike you I am not settling. You talk about working for an airline and how it gives you health insurance, well I hope you never get hired at CAL, because if you do I wish you a lot of luck those 1st six months.........
Sad that you are ok with the current state of the industry, I however am not.
I am not here to just complain either, I am the Newark F/O Rep, so I am doing a small part to help the lives of pilots I work with..........
Sad that you are ok with the current state of the industry, I however am not.
I am not here to just complain either, I am the Newark F/O Rep, so I am doing a small part to help the lives of pilots I work with..........
04-12-2008, 06:04 PM
#143
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Position: 73N
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I'll stop complaining when conditions ands pay improve, unlike you I am not settling. You talk about working for an airline and how it gives you health insurance, well I hope you never get hired at CAL, because if you do I wish you a lot of luck those 1st six months.........
Sad that you are ok with the current state of the industry, I however am not.
I am not here to just complain either, I am the Newark F/O Rep, so I am doing a small part to help the lives of pilots I work with..........
Sad that you are ok with the current state of the industry, I however am not.
I am not here to just complain either, I am the Newark F/O Rep, so I am doing a small part to help the lives of pilots I work with..........
Bottom line... you can whine and complain all you want, but management knows that you will always do whats best for #1
04-12-2008, 06:08 PM
#144
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It looks like you have done a good job improving the situation so far... oh wait you just quit and went to a different carrier. Don't sit here and act like you are trying to make things better for all of us when you would happily take more for yourself and leave everyone else behind.
Bottom line... you can whine and complain all you want, but management knows that you will always do whats best for #1
Bottom line... you can whine and complain all you want, but management knows that you will always do whats best for #1
04-12-2008, 06:13 PM
#145
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If I was looking for credibility I wouldn't be asking a frequent cry baby from some pilot forum.
My point, so people will complain no matter what their situation is. I'll bet SAAB would still be complaining if he was Bill Gates.
Like I said earlier well all should be working for better pay and work rules. Whining about it to other pilots on APC is not the way to change anything.
Go ahead and continue the personal attacks, it will help your career in the union.
My point, so people will complain no matter what their situation is. I'll bet SAAB would still be complaining if he was Bill Gates.
Like I said earlier well all should be working for better pay and work rules. Whining about it to other pilots on APC is not the way to change anything.
Go ahead and continue the personal attacks, it will help your career in the union.
04-12-2008, 06:24 PM
#146
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Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
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I could lock the thread, give an infraction, give a warning, or just express to ya'll that things aren't going well...
The above post is out of line. Tone it down or don't post. We expect a certain level of respect at this site. If you can't make your point in a more professional way, it's best to just keep quiet.
The above post is out of line. Tone it down or don't post. We expect a certain level of respect at this site. If you can't make your point in a more professional way, it's best to just keep quiet.
04-12-2008, 06:25 PM
#147
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Posts: 193
Anybody else want to give up and go find another job where we can easily make more then we do as a regional pilots, not to mention weekends off? If it isn't bankruptcies or oil, its who is going top buy who blah blah blah.
The flying is ok, the schedule has potential to be great ( I love day trips and 4-day weekends), EVERYTHING else...well kinda blows....
If you guys think there will be a pilot shortage in the next 20 years, you are kidding yourselves, if it isn't for the miserable Age 65, or the airlines with 1,000's of pilots about to be out of a job, looking for a new one, it will be the ridiculous Multi Crew Pilots license.
If only I went to Riddle, I could of went from Graduation day to A320 Class.........
Flame away my good friends, flame away
The flying is ok, the schedule has potential to be great ( I love day trips and 4-day weekends), EVERYTHING else...well kinda blows....
If you guys think there will be a pilot shortage in the next 20 years, you are kidding yourselves, if it isn't for the miserable Age 65, or the airlines with 1,000's of pilots about to be out of a job, looking for a new one, it will be the ridiculous Multi Crew Pilots license.
If only I went to Riddle, I could of went from Graduation day to A320 Class.........
Flame away my good friends, flame away
04-12-2008, 09:31 PM
#148
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[quote=SAABaroowski;361280]
My dream, as sad as it is, is to have EVERY AIRLINE PILOT who flies for a US 121 airline NOT TO GO TO WORK for a few days, I know it is illegal and would never happen, but could you imagine what kind of message that would send
I second this notion
My dream, as sad as it is, is to have EVERY AIRLINE PILOT who flies for a US 121 airline NOT TO GO TO WORK for a few days, I know it is illegal and would never happen, but could you imagine what kind of message that would send
04-13-2008, 01:04 AM
#149
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Posts: 308
to sum it all up...
i think that my signature says it all
04-13-2008, 06:16 AM
#150
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I'm right there with you. I've been through one furlough, and I'm at my second 121 airline, and I'm looking back and regretting ever setting foot in the cockpit of a plane. To be honest, I don't mind the job so much, but I'm tired of the lifestyle we put up with for the pay. It's out of whack. I'm tired of living out of hotels. Out of all my friends who graduated college when I did, 10 years ago, I'm am making the least amount of money. I'm also home the least amount of hours per month. I'm sitting asking myself what I got myself into. My problem is I'm getting too old to back out.
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