Wash out?
#21
Welcome to the club Rusty!! Only I got a full fledged failure.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...sted+checkride
Check your PRIA records. If there is no failure listed then you you can answer honestly, "I never failed a checkride." However, as someone else said, if you are asked if you did not complete training, you would have to answer yes.
Eitherway, it sucks. And it is a big stike against you. But YOU ARE NOT OUT! There are folks like Marcal who will say you should never fly pax (guess flying a 74 filled with boxes is okay), I say nuts to them! Take a long, hard, honest look at why you failed and figure out how be successful next time.
Don't be supprized if you don't get interviews/offers for a while. You may have to go back to whatever you were doing before. Can't go back? Find ANY flying job you can (pipeline patrol, fish spotting, hauling checks, anything), but keep flying. And keep applying! Look into those "evil bottom feeders" that so many folks bash: they may not be eden, but they are 121 and could give you a chance to prove yourself.
Suck it up, grit your teeth, and get back in there!!!
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...sted+checkride
Check your PRIA records. If there is no failure listed then you you can answer honestly, "I never failed a checkride." However, as someone else said, if you are asked if you did not complete training, you would have to answer yes.
Eitherway, it sucks. And it is a big stike against you. But YOU ARE NOT OUT! There are folks like Marcal who will say you should never fly pax (guess flying a 74 filled with boxes is okay), I say nuts to them! Take a long, hard, honest look at why you failed and figure out how be successful next time.
Don't be supprized if you don't get interviews/offers for a while. You may have to go back to whatever you were doing before. Can't go back? Find ANY flying job you can (pipeline patrol, fish spotting, hauling checks, anything), but keep flying. And keep applying! Look into those "evil bottom feeders" that so many folks bash: they may not be eden, but they are 121 and could give you a chance to prove yourself.
Suck it up, grit your teeth, and get back in there!!!
#22
I think its' good advice to check your records, and while info given under pria is protected, if the employer willfully gives out false information in an effort to sabotage your career, you can sue the dog crap out of them.
#23
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Posts: 49
#24
i would try to complete a training course of some type even if it was 135 flying freight for cherry air. get some jet time somewhere.
try to complete a program somehwere else without the pressure. you just need more grooming and experience it sounds like. this will build your confidence and the next time those jets speeds and SOPs won't get you.
it will work out for you in the end. i know it will
try to complete a program somehwere else without the pressure. you just need more grooming and experience it sounds like. this will build your confidence and the next time those jets speeds and SOPs won't get you.
it will work out for you in the end. i know it will
#25
(Not wanting to highjack the thread)
While on the subject of getting a copy of PRIAs, you can also get a copy of your medical file just to make sure somebody elses restriction doesn't get into your stuff. I have the same first, middle, and last name as private pilot who has "issues", so I ckeck my stuff every couple of years.
While on the subject of getting a copy of PRIAs, you can also get a copy of your medical file just to make sure somebody elses restriction doesn't get into your stuff. I have the same first, middle, and last name as private pilot who has "issues", so I ckeck my stuff every couple of years.
#26
There is no "central repository" for PRIA records, they consist simply of whatever records your past employer has. In the case of a part 91 employer, they might have no records at all. For this reason you cannot do a PRIA check on yourself (you CAN request all of your FAA records at any time, and should probably do so).
The only way you can find out what records a certain PRIA request will return is to check a box on the form which obligates the respondents to send a copy to you also...the downside is that by the time you get the info it's probably too late to resolve any issues. But check the box anyway, just so you know for future job hunts.
PRIA requests do NOT go to the military services (active or reserve). A hiring airline will want to see your DD-214 (the full-length copy), and military flight records...they know how to read between the lines on a DD-214 (so...why didn't you get a NMCAM at the end of your last tour?).
#27
There's no shame in not making it. There is shame in working so long to make it this far then to quit.
#28
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2007
Position: single pilot cargo, turboprop
Posts: 484
I'm with the guys who say to go to cargo. Summertime is a great time to get comfortable with single pilot operations, then survive a winter in hard IFR and you'll be "line current" and very confident for your next step.
If you don't have the 1200 hours for part 135 IFR PIC, you might try "VFR only" operations in places like LAS and PHX where they only require the PIC to have 500 hours if they're flying cargo or less than 10 PAX.
If you don't have the 1200 hours for part 135 IFR PIC, you might try "VFR only" operations in places like LAS and PHX where they only require the PIC to have 500 hours if they're flying cargo or less than 10 PAX.
#29
Your experience is unfortunate, yet not terribly uncommon, saw it many many many times when i was a new-hire at Trans States, happened on a repeat basis until Feb-Mar 07, when some changes were made and extra sim sessions were awarded, before then, they'd just send you packing. Lots of those buddies are now off at other regionals, several at expressjet and are loving it there, so just remember that NO this isn't the end of the world.
As far as your question, technically, you did bust out of training. However, you most likely don't have a failure on your training record. You'll have to explain to individuals why you resigned from training, just be honest, explain what you learned from the situation, and move on. If the first company doesn't hire you, try again, eventually you'll find someone who will, and at some point in your career, this will just be a far distant memory.
As far as your question, technically, you did bust out of training. However, you most likely don't have a failure on your training record. You'll have to explain to individuals why you resigned from training, just be honest, explain what you learned from the situation, and move on. If the first company doesn't hire you, try again, eventually you'll find someone who will, and at some point in your career, this will just be a far distant memory.
#30
Depends on your instructor. My instructor focused completely on maneuvers and flows where I was never taught the FMS. I ended up having to get a spare sim because when I did my checkride I was unsure how to use several of it's functions. The computer trainers were broken and since my instructor didn't cover it I had no knowledge of it.
There's no shame in not making it. There is shame in working so long to make it this far then to quit.
There's no shame in not making it. There is shame in working so long to make it this far then to quit.
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