tpersuit

So you mean to tell me guys that just do the GA route had the exact same training as someone at UND or Riddle?
I guess all those additional classes that were required don't add any skill to the person.

I'm equating the first 250 TT to get your COMM MULTI

This has nothing to do with any flying after.


And before you fly off the wall again, I'll explain my position.

I did 4 years at UND, then GA for MEI!!
I also flight instructed in the LA airspace for a year after learning to fly in no-airspace ND.
I am just stating the INITIAL training at Riddle and UND is a lot tougher than straight up GA.
I've done some GA training, and it was a TON easier than UND. By far the easiest checkride I ever took.

If you haven't done both, where do you come off to try and say "you know"?

I've done flight/ground training all over the place and UND was by far the toughest I ever experienced.

HercDriver130

your just dont get it......you "i am better than you because i went to UND" stance is dead on arrival.

tpersuit

wow, you guys twist everything to make the person you disagree with sound like they are saying something else.

If multi comm GA flying, is equal to the multi comm training at a 121 than why does the FAA reduce the mins?

Go ahead, say I think I'm God because I went to UND. You guys are pathetic and don't know how to debate a single thing.

JetJock16

OK tpersuit, I think you’re getting a little too worked up. You’re starting to make a lot of mistakes while writing your postings.

Nobody said that UND or Riddle does do a fine job educating but the fact that it’s overrated (you can get the same education elsewhere) and overpriced (come on look at the loans) and creates a lot of overconfident pilots (yes GA can produce some as well but there just seems to be more coming out of these schools), is indisputable. Yes UND and Riddle students do have to take more classes than a GA grad but does this make him or her a better aviator? No! It’s what’s inside the person that makes him or her a better aviator.

Tpersuit, 141 or GA what does it really matter. I think the smarter pilot is the one who spent very little money, actually learn the material and has a degree in something else other than aviation. Why do I say this? Simple, he’s as marketable as any UND or Riddle pilot is in the 121 world and he’s more marketable outside of the aviation world because of his non-aviation degree plus he doesn't have those loans weighting him down.

When it comes down to it I don’t care who is sitting next to me or where he got his education from. Just be humble, not arrogant, confident, eager to learn, calm, collected, aware and most of all let’s have fun.

BTW, if you want tough let’s talk about the Air Force Academy or Annapolis. UND, Riddle or any other aviation institution can’t hold a candle to those schools.

bornc7d

sorry to set off such a powder keg. Dont you just hate those 200 hr wonders. They are worthless, hell they have been crashing planes all over the place.

If there are any other ex-9E guys at SKYW I would love to hear about the differences.

JetJock16

The debate isn't about whether or not planes are crashing because of 200 hour wonders (errrrr ferry flight J/K! ); it's now about whether a 190 hour UND or Riddle grad is a better pilot than a 250 hour GA grad. LOL!

BTW, a 200 hour pilot still has to sit next to an ATP CA who's in control. The problem is that the overwhelming majority of 200 hour pilot aren't ready. I'm not saying you weren't, I don't know you, but the facts speak for themselves. Get to know a few check airmen or sim instructors and ask them who has a harder time? A 1000+ hour CFI/1500+ hour 135 pilot or a 200 hour wonder. I'm sure that 9 times out of 10 the CFI/135 pilot isn't as far behind as the wonder.

Now, you have over 700 hours and 500 are in the 121 environment, at one time you were a 200 hour wonder but you are no longer seeing you've proven yourself. Case closed!

As for SKW, it's a great regional to work for. I still wouldn’t make them my career carrier but only for the fact that you don't control your own destiny, meaning we still live and die by code shares. We also don't have a retirement package that’s even near as good as most all Majors and/or Legacies. But as far as regional’s go I personally feel that there is no better. Ask yourself the last time you heard of a SKW pilot moving laterally too...................well anyone. There may be one or two but that's about all you'll find. 99.99% of us, when we move on, either move up to a Major/Legacy or retire. That should tell you something.

ps. Bornc7d, why do you have a picture of my wife as your avatar?

bornc7d

Ohh she's your wife, well tell her I got 2 days off starting tomorrow so dont be surprised if she doesnt answer phone calls. Hehe

bornc7d

Does SKYW have a referral program?

ExperimentalAB

Negative on that...would be nice though!

BZNpilot248

I'll out myself as another UND person and give my perspective. At UND you deffinitly learn a lot of procedural and technical information that you may not get in GA in a shorter timeframe- however that does NOT necessarily make you a better pilot! For instance - in my MEI groundschool there were people arguing about exactly how many PSI the gear system works at on the high pressure and low pressure sides in a seminole - is that important? no it really isn't - its important to know the operational concept (gear unsafe light flickering in flight, possible leakage, system failure etc) but the important thing is if it breaks when you're departing, enroute or at the FAF how can you tell its malfunctioning and what can you do about it? THATS ALL! (making generalizations) I enjoyed my time at UND but realize many come out of there with tunnel vision. I have heard from many other pilots say that UND guys are great at flying a profile, procedure, or taking a test - but get them in the air with an abnormal situation and they don't know what to do. There can be a lot said about building time in those 250 hours without the constraints of a syllabus and flying more solo hours and learning by expirience or flying with different CFI's who have not had the same syllabus blinders on for their entire flight career as well. I'm doing single pilot 135 now and learning FAR more in a much shorter time than I did while in "the UND bubble." All that said - UND is a great school, I'd recommend it - but don't be in too much of a hurry - realize your possible shortcomings and advantages wherever you come from and go get some varied expirience, have fun, and be humble.