50 seater = welfare?
03-25-2008, 07:51 AM
#41
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Don't forget that the folks in First are paying more, however...true, that brings a -700 down to 66 seats, but they are still paying that premium.
Yeah its the total amount. You proved my point though about the 50 seater not being as terrible as people think.
This isn't too accurate, but close enough to prove the point why the 50 seater can't die. The Speeds aren't too different, but you can see that even with 70 passengers on board it still is the same if not more per passenger. If the market can only sustain a 50 seater than a 70 seater would lose a ton more money.
EMB-145XR - 50 passengers
.80 MACH
2500 lbs/hr
50 lbs/passenger
-700 - 70 passengers
.82 MACH
3600 lbs/hr
51.5 lbs/passenger
This isn't too accurate, but close enough to prove the point why the 50 seater can't die. The Speeds aren't too different, but you can see that even with 70 passengers on board it still is the same if not more per passenger. If the market can only sustain a 50 seater than a 70 seater would lose a ton more money.
EMB-145XR - 50 passengers
.80 MACH
2500 lbs/hr
50 lbs/passenger
-700 - 70 passengers
.82 MACH
3600 lbs/hr
51.5 lbs/passenger
03-25-2008, 07:56 AM
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The training department is swamped and in turn has created a bit of a backlog, so to speak. Hiring in turn has to slow down a bit until the jam has been cleared. My understanding is that hiring and training will go into full swing in the Spring (ie April onward). If you were offered a job, you will hear from the HR for sure. What class date you will get is completely up the Training department. If they call you with a class date, and you want something earlier, tell them nicely that you are available for an earlier one. Be ready because they might call you a week before the class date, though not likely.
03-25-2008, 08:43 AM
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The training department is swamped and in turn has created a bit of a backlog, so to speak. Hiring in turn has to slow down a bit until the jam has been cleared. My understanding is that hiring and training will go into full swing in the Spring (ie April onward). If you were offered a job, you will hear from the HR for sure. What class date you will get is completely up the Training department. If they call you with a class date, and you want something earlier, tell them nicely that you are available for an earlier one. Be ready because they might call you a week before the class date, though not likely.
03-25-2008, 09:56 AM
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Darn, grosshole was quicker than me.
It's a shame that joke went RIGHT over your head.
I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but the last time I flew, the gages on the EICAS displayed fuel in POUNDS PER HOUR, not GALLONS PER HOUR.
Using the assumed fuel density out of our CFM, calculate 2500 gallons into pounds. It's MORE than the XR can even hold.
Also, like I said, I'm not the sharpest tack. But at 370 I don't usually see 460 TAS, it's usually around 440-445. If you want to see something like 460, you usually have to be around FL280/290.
It's a shame that joke went RIGHT over your head.
I'm not the sharpest tack in the box, but the last time I flew, the gages on the EICAS displayed fuel in POUNDS PER HOUR, not GALLONS PER HOUR.
Using the assumed fuel density out of our CFM, calculate 2500 gallons into pounds. It's MORE than the XR can even hold.
Also, like I said, I'm not the sharpest tack. But at 370 I don't usually see 460 TAS, it's usually around 440-445. If you want to see something like 460, you usually have to be around FL280/290.
Fly the XR's much? You'd see it if you did.
03-26-2008, 12:34 AM
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That's funny. After I read your post, I'd ask the same of you.
But I'm on the west coast. ALL we fly is 135 EP's.
But if I WAS flying the XR, I'd ask you this, are you flying at the flight planned .78, or all the way at the barber pole?
.79-80 MIGHT yield something CLOSE to 450.
There has been more than ONE time I have been in an XR, TL's in the detent, .76-.77 is ALL the thing will do.
Do the math, 460 at 370 is not REALLY what you will come up with.
But I'm on the west coast. ALL we fly is 135 EP's.
But if I WAS flying the XR, I'd ask you this, are you flying at the flight planned .78, or all the way at the barber pole?
.79-80 MIGHT yield something CLOSE to 450.
There has been more than ONE time I have been in an XR, TL's in the detent, .76-.77 is ALL the thing will do.
Do the math, 460 at 370 is not REALLY what you will come up with.
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03-26-2008, 04:02 AM
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That's funny. After I read your post, I'd ask the same of you.
But I'm on the west coast. ALL we fly is 135 EP's.
But if I WAS flying the XR, I'd ask you this, are you flying at the flight planned .78, or all the way at the barber pole?
.79-80 MIGHT yield something CLOSE to 450.
There has been more than ONE time I have been in an XR, TL's in the detent, .76-.77 is ALL the thing will do.
Do the math, 460 at 370 is not REALLY what you will come up with.
But I'm on the west coast. ALL we fly is 135 EP's.
But if I WAS flying the XR, I'd ask you this, are you flying at the flight planned .78, or all the way at the barber pole?
.79-80 MIGHT yield something CLOSE to 450.
There has been more than ONE time I have been in an XR, TL's in the detent, .76-.77 is ALL the thing will do.
Do the math, 460 at 370 is not REALLY what you will come up with.
03-26-2008, 06:31 AM
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The training department is swamped and in turn has created a bit of a backlog, so to speak. Hiring in turn has to slow down a bit until the jam has been cleared. My understanding is that hiring and training will go into full swing in the Spring (ie April onward). If you were offered a job, you will hear from the HR for sure. What class date you will get is completely up the Training department. If they call you with a class date, and you want something earlier, tell them nicely that you are available for an earlier one. Be ready because they might call you a week before the class date, though not likely.
03-26-2008, 08:16 AM
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Well, you are the one that said we burn 2500 GALLONS per hour. Are YOU serious?
It's a freaking joke, relax. ANOTHER stab at humor went right over your head, AGAIN.
03-26-2008, 10:11 AM
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T-props are the future and will make a comeback. Look at the speed and specs of a Q400 and tell me why they should fly an RJ with sky rocketing fuel prices.
03-26-2008, 11:35 AM
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or maybe you got called out on comparing apples to oranges and you acted like it was a joke. As for the gallon remark, yeah I mistype, but you know what I meant.
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