Arbitrator ruling on Pinnacle/Colgan
03-28-2008, 03:14 PM
#61
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
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Posts: 80
Ya it would be great if no one would go to class at pinnacle and colgan but that is never going to happen. Put yourself if these guys shoes. Alot of them have no idea about our industry. They are excited about being hired at an airline.
As far as blaming the pilot group. I know Pinnacle's pilot group is fighting to get things better but there is only so much we can do. We need to strike but some bull *** law says we cant. Our management totally controls us. Hell they don't even listen to the lawyers, they just do what they want. We just need to walk period. I would love to send a letter to all of the pilots saying on a certain day we are all sick or fatigued. Now that would get managements attention
As far as blaming the pilot group. I know Pinnacle's pilot group is fighting to get things better but there is only so much we can do. We need to strike but some bull *** law says we cant. Our management totally controls us. Hell they don't even listen to the lawyers, they just do what they want. We just need to walk period. I would love to send a letter to all of the pilots saying on a certain day we are all sick or fatigued. Now that would get managements attention
03-28-2008, 03:34 PM
#63
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03-28-2008, 04:16 PM
#64
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: Airbus F/O
Posts: 333
Letter from Buddy
So we just got this letter from Buddy, just wanted to share:
March 26, 2008
Some of you may have heard about a story recently in the press about a dispute between Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and ALPA relating to Colgan Air. Here are the actual facts. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. owns both Colgan Air, Inc. and Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. There is not and has never been a plan to combine the two carriers. ALPA’s contract is with Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and not the holding company, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. However, ALPA filed a grievance arguing that since such a combination was “possible,” there had to be a fence agreement negotiated with the Company. Fence agreements, in the airline industry, describe how two airlines will be kept separate until there is an operational merger. Although Pinnacle disagreed with ALPA’s interpretation, the arbitrator granted ALPA’s grievance. This decision will have no impact on Colgan’s operation or on our Colgan Air Family members. All that is required, is for Pinnacle to meet with ALPA to negotiate an agreement that will have no impact since Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air, Inc. will remain as separate carriers. Unfortunately, ALPA and the Pinnacle Airlines Pilots MEC remain focused on trying to hurt Colgan’sbusiness, as evidenced by their picketing our Q400 operations in Newark. Pinnacle pilots want the Q400 flying and ALPA has proposed a restriction on Colgan Air to operate no larger than 34 seat aircraft. That will not happen. Fortunately, our pilots saw through what ALPA and the Pinnacle Pilots were attempting to do when the election took place last summer. I can assure you there is no plan to ever merge these two airlines, and that ALPA’s efforts to favor the Pinnacle Pilots at the expense of Colgan’s pilots will not be successful. For our part, we have many challenges facing our industry today. With record fuel prices, an economic slow down and talk of a recession, all of us need to stay focused and operate to the best of our ability. Please do not listen to rumors or innuendo. Get the facts. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me or another member of our management team. Thank you for the hard work you do everyday.
March 26, 2008
Some of you may have heard about a story recently in the press about a dispute between Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and ALPA relating to Colgan Air. Here are the actual facts. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. owns both Colgan Air, Inc. and Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. There is not and has never been a plan to combine the two carriers. ALPA’s contract is with Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and not the holding company, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. However, ALPA filed a grievance arguing that since such a combination was “possible,” there had to be a fence agreement negotiated with the Company. Fence agreements, in the airline industry, describe how two airlines will be kept separate until there is an operational merger. Although Pinnacle disagreed with ALPA’s interpretation, the arbitrator granted ALPA’s grievance. This decision will have no impact on Colgan’s operation or on our Colgan Air Family members. All that is required, is for Pinnacle to meet with ALPA to negotiate an agreement that will have no impact since Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air, Inc. will remain as separate carriers. Unfortunately, ALPA and the Pinnacle Airlines Pilots MEC remain focused on trying to hurt Colgan’sbusiness, as evidenced by their picketing our Q400 operations in Newark. Pinnacle pilots want the Q400 flying and ALPA has proposed a restriction on Colgan Air to operate no larger than 34 seat aircraft. That will not happen. Fortunately, our pilots saw through what ALPA and the Pinnacle Pilots were attempting to do when the election took place last summer. I can assure you there is no plan to ever merge these two airlines, and that ALPA’s efforts to favor the Pinnacle Pilots at the expense of Colgan’s pilots will not be successful. For our part, we have many challenges facing our industry today. With record fuel prices, an economic slow down and talk of a recession, all of us need to stay focused and operate to the best of our ability. Please do not listen to rumors or innuendo. Get the facts. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me or another member of our management team. Thank you for the hard work you do everyday.
03-28-2008, 04:49 PM
#65
ULTP-Ultra Low Tier Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Posts: 3,228
So we just got this letter from Buddy, just wanted to share:
March 26, 2008
Some of you may have heard about a story recently in the press about a dispute between Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and ALPA relating to Colgan Air. Here are the actual facts. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. owns both Colgan Air, Inc. and Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. There is not and has never been a plan to combine the two carriers. ALPA’s contract is with Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and not the holding company, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. However, ALPA filed a grievance arguing that since such a combination was “possible,” there had to be a fence agreement negotiated with the Company. Fence agreements, in the airline industry, describe how two airlines will be kept separate until there is an operational merger. Although Pinnacle disagreed with ALPA’s interpretation, the arbitrator granted ALPA’s grievance. This decision will have no impact on Colgan’s operation or on our Colgan Air Family members. All that is required, is for Pinnacle to meet with ALPA to negotiate an agreement that will have no impact since Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air, Inc. will remain as separate carriers. Unfortunately, ALPA and the Pinnacle Airlines Pilots MEC remain focused on trying to hurt Colgan’sbusiness, as evidenced by their picketing our Q400 operations in Newark. Pinnacle pilots want the Q400 flying and ALPA has proposed a restriction on Colgan Air to operate no larger than 34 seat aircraft. That will not happen. Fortunately, our pilots saw through what ALPA and the Pinnacle Pilots were attempting to do when the election took place last summer. I can assure you there is no plan to ever merge these two airlines, and that ALPA’s efforts to favor the Pinnacle Pilots at the expense of Colgan’s pilots will not be successful. For our part, we have many challenges facing our industry today. With record fuel prices, an economic slow down and talk of a recession, all of us need to stay focused and operate to the best of our ability. Please do not listen to rumors or innuendo. Get the facts. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me or another member of our management team. Thank you for the hard work you do everyday.
March 26, 2008
Some of you may have heard about a story recently in the press about a dispute between Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and ALPA relating to Colgan Air. Here are the actual facts. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. owns both Colgan Air, Inc. and Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. There is not and has never been a plan to combine the two carriers. ALPA’s contract is with Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and not the holding company, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. However, ALPA filed a grievance arguing that since such a combination was “possible,” there had to be a fence agreement negotiated with the Company. Fence agreements, in the airline industry, describe how two airlines will be kept separate until there is an operational merger. Although Pinnacle disagreed with ALPA’s interpretation, the arbitrator granted ALPA’s grievance. This decision will have no impact on Colgan’s operation or on our Colgan Air Family members. All that is required, is for Pinnacle to meet with ALPA to negotiate an agreement that will have no impact since Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air, Inc. will remain as separate carriers. Unfortunately, ALPA and the Pinnacle Airlines Pilots MEC remain focused on trying to hurt Colgan’sbusiness, as evidenced by their picketing our Q400 operations in Newark. Pinnacle pilots want the Q400 flying and ALPA has proposed a restriction on Colgan Air to operate no larger than 34 seat aircraft. That will not happen. Fortunately, our pilots saw through what ALPA and the Pinnacle Pilots were attempting to do when the election took place last summer. I can assure you there is no plan to ever merge these two airlines, and that ALPA’s efforts to favor the Pinnacle Pilots at the expense of Colgan’s pilots will not be successful. For our part, we have many challenges facing our industry today. With record fuel prices, an economic slow down and talk of a recession, all of us need to stay focused and operate to the best of our ability. Please do not listen to rumors or innuendo. Get the facts. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me or another member of our management team. Thank you for the hard work you do everyday.
03-28-2008, 04:55 PM
#66
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all I can say is, thank god y'all are stuck with that moronic backstabbing buddy casey. That's the only thing Pinnacle management has done that was smart....get buddy out of Pinnacle and over to Colgan.
03-28-2008, 05:40 PM
#67
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Sick outs are a "work action", did you know back a few years ago the American Airlines Pilots union (I think it was them) got in big trouble for not picking up open time!!!!!!!!! True story, it was "out of the norm" even though in their contract it said they did not have to pick up open time. Labor unions have gotten beaten down the past few years..............you can blame Bush for that as well 
03-28-2008, 11:07 PM
#68
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
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Posts: 211
So we just got this letter from Buddy, just wanted to share:
March 26, 2008
Some of you may have heard about a story recently in the press about a dispute between Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and ALPA relating to Colgan Air. Here are the actual facts. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. owns both Colgan Air, Inc. and Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. There is not and has never been a plan to combine the two carriers. ALPA’s contract is with Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and not the holding company, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. However, ALPA filed a grievance arguing that since such a combination was “possible,” there had to be a fence agreement negotiated with the Company. Fence agreements, in the airline industry, describe how two airlines will be kept separate until there is an operational merger. Although Pinnacle disagreed with ALPA’s interpretation, the arbitrator granted ALPA’s grievance. This decision will have no impact on Colgan’s operation or on our Colgan Air Family members. All that is required, is for Pinnacle to meet with ALPA to negotiate an agreement that will have no impact since Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air, Inc. will remain as separate carriers. Unfortunately, ALPA and the Pinnacle Airlines Pilots MEC remain focused on trying to hurt Colgan’sbusiness, as evidenced by their picketing our Q400 operations in Newark. Pinnacle pilots want the Q400 flying and ALPA has proposed a restriction on Colgan Air to operate no larger than 34 seat aircraft. That will not happen. Fortunately, our pilots saw through what ALPA and the Pinnacle Pilots were attempting to do when the election took place last summer. I can assure you there is no plan to ever merge these two airlines, and that ALPA’s efforts to favor the Pinnacle Pilots at the expense of Colgan’s pilots will not be successful. For our part, we have many challenges facing our industry today. With record fuel prices, an economic slow down and talk of a recession, all of us need to stay focused and operate to the best of our ability. Please do not listen to rumors or innuendo. Get the facts. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me or another member of our management team. Thank you for the hard work you do everyday.
March 26, 2008
Some of you may have heard about a story recently in the press about a dispute between Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and ALPA relating to Colgan Air. Here are the actual facts. Pinnacle Airlines Corp. owns both Colgan Air, Inc. and Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. There is not and has never been a plan to combine the two carriers. ALPA’s contract is with Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and not the holding company, Pinnacle Airlines Corp. However, ALPA filed a grievance arguing that since such a combination was “possible,” there had to be a fence agreement negotiated with the Company. Fence agreements, in the airline industry, describe how two airlines will be kept separate until there is an operational merger. Although Pinnacle disagreed with ALPA’s interpretation, the arbitrator granted ALPA’s grievance. This decision will have no impact on Colgan’s operation or on our Colgan Air Family members. All that is required, is for Pinnacle to meet with ALPA to negotiate an agreement that will have no impact since Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air, Inc. will remain as separate carriers. Unfortunately, ALPA and the Pinnacle Airlines Pilots MEC remain focused on trying to hurt Colgan’sbusiness, as evidenced by their picketing our Q400 operations in Newark. Pinnacle pilots want the Q400 flying and ALPA has proposed a restriction on Colgan Air to operate no larger than 34 seat aircraft. That will not happen. Fortunately, our pilots saw through what ALPA and the Pinnacle Pilots were attempting to do when the election took place last summer. I can assure you there is no plan to ever merge these two airlines, and that ALPA’s efforts to favor the Pinnacle Pilots at the expense of Colgan’s pilots will not be successful. For our part, we have many challenges facing our industry today. With record fuel prices, an economic slow down and talk of a recession, all of us need to stay focused and operate to the best of our ability. Please do not listen to rumors or innuendo. Get the facts. If you have any questions or concerns, please contact me or another member of our management team. Thank you for the hard work you do everyday.
I sincerely hope you guys make him eat his words when you vote in ALPA next time around...
03-29-2008, 06:01 AM
#69
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
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Posts: 136
Ya it would be great if no one would go to class at pinnacle and colgan but that is never going to happen. Put yourself if these guys shoes. Alot of them have no idea about our industry. They are excited about being hired at an airline.
As far as blaming the pilot group. I know Pinnacle's pilot group is fighting to get things better but there is only so much we can do. We need to strike but some bull *** law says we cant. Our management totally controls us. Hell they don't even listen to the lawyers, they just do what they want. We just need to walk period. I would love to send a letter to all of the pilots saying on a certain day we are all sick or fatigued. Now that would get managements attention
As far as blaming the pilot group. I know Pinnacle's pilot group is fighting to get things better but there is only so much we can do. We need to strike but some bull *** law says we cant. Our management totally controls us. Hell they don't even listen to the lawyers, they just do what they want. We just need to walk period. I would love to send a letter to all of the pilots saying on a certain day we are all sick or fatigued. Now that would get managements attention
Sick outs are a "work action", did you know back a few years ago the American Airlines Pilots union (I think it was them) got in big trouble for not picking up open time!!!!!!!!! True story, it was "out of the norm" even though in their contract it said they did not have to pick up open time. Labor unions have gotten beaten down the past few years..............you can blame Bush for that as well
03-29-2008, 11:24 AM
#70
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Bus Driver
Posts: 211
This is probably just dependant on a case-by-case basis. I don't think the RLA governs a sick out / unofficial strike. The last contract that was involved in only allowed the company to take action after 24 hours. Hence, a one day sick out could be done without any legal ramification. However, we never got that far.
