Arbitrator ruling on Pinnacle/Colgan
03-24-2008, 01:04 PM
#21
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As far as I am concerned if it has a Globe on the tail, it should be flown by a pilot that is employed by the emblem on the tail. Colgan guys need QOL improvements as well as higher Q pay, but blaming them for CAL reducing our flying and "giving" it to them is ridiculous. We all should get to the point that we cost too much money and the majors find that it is cheaper to do the flying themselves. I think the Colgan guys will come through with a Union this time around. This year will be interesting at both the regional & major level.
03-24-2008, 01:09 PM
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As far as I am concerned if it has a Globe on the tail, it should be flown by a pilot that is employed by the emblem on the tail. Colgan guys need QOL improvements as well as higher Q pay, but blaming them for CAL reducing our flying and "giving" it to them is ridiculous. We all should get to the point that we cost too much money and the majors find that it is cheaper to do the flying themselves. I think the Colgan guys will come through with a Union this time around. This year will be interesting at both the regional & major level.
03-24-2008, 01:11 PM
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I highly doubt the majority of Colgan guys feel they don't need a Union or higher pay (though the last ALPA drive said otherwise). Them coming on here saying their pay is fine and their QOL are great would be a lie, but lets just see what they do this time around. I have been talking to a lot of the guys I used to fly with at Colgan in EWR, and its the same BullSh*t that was going on when I was there, nothing has changed. I think they will get a Union this time around. The majors are slowing, if not stopping hiring, so they may have to stick it out there longer then planned
03-24-2008, 01:13 PM
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They just turn it around and say we are bashing them, while ignoring what we are trying to tell them
03-24-2008, 01:16 PM
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I agree as well, its management at CAL and Pinnacle that did this. However, if you read what some guys are saying, they think they should be flying this for mainline. That's what I'm having a gripe about.
They just turn it around and say we are bashing them, while ignoring what we are trying to tell them
They just turn it around and say we are bashing them, while ignoring what we are trying to tell them
03-24-2008, 01:26 PM
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Or do you mean CAL pilots should absord XJT, but this time include a single seniority list? Love to see that happen. But it won't. Eagle attempted that numerous times, sometimes with and without the support of AA pilots. In the end, AA pilots rejected the notion of having to put new hires in the tprops.
So I have to ask, does a CAL mainline pilot really want to fly a Saab
between Houston and Tyler all day long (especially in the summer!)? C'mon.
I love the continual XJT bashing by the way and total ignorance that Colgan is doing nothing wrong to the CAL pilots.
03-24-2008, 01:58 PM
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Interesting. So you'd rather be furloughed so CAL pilots could fly your ERJ?
Or do you mean CAL pilots should absord XJT, but this time include a single seniority list? Love to see that happen. But it won't. Eagle attempted that numerous times, sometimes with and without the support of AA pilots. In the end, AA pilots rejected the notion of having to put new hires in the tprops.
So I have to ask, does a CAL mainline pilot really want to fly a Saab
between Houston and Tyler all day long (especially in the summer!)? C'mon.
It appears that XJT may be bashed because certain XJT posters bring it upon themselves by what they post. It is almost as if you work at any regional other than XJT, you are scum.
Or do you mean CAL pilots should absord XJT, but this time include a single seniority list? Love to see that happen. But it won't. Eagle attempted that numerous times, sometimes with and without the support of AA pilots. In the end, AA pilots rejected the notion of having to put new hires in the tprops.
So I have to ask, does a CAL mainline pilot really want to fly a Saab
between Houston and Tyler all day long (especially in the summer!)? C'mon.
It appears that XJT may be bashed because certain XJT posters bring it upon themselves by what they post. It is almost as if you work at any regional other than XJT, you are scum.
at least someone gets it j/k...........
03-25-2008, 09:07 AM
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WHAT!?
Wow, why don't you tell that to the CAL pilots? No wonder we have a problem in this industry.
All CAL flying should be done by CAL pilots. Just because its a Saab, means it should be done by Colgan, especially with the pay for the 70-seater.
I love the continual XJT bashing by the way and total ignorance that Colgan is doing nothing wrong to the CAL pilots.
Wow, why don't you tell that to the CAL pilots? No wonder we have a problem in this industry.
All CAL flying should be done by CAL pilots. Just because its a Saab, means it should be done by Colgan, especially with the pay for the 70-seater.
I love the continual XJT bashing by the way and total ignorance that Colgan is doing nothing wrong to the CAL pilots.
Wait, who said I was bashing XJT? You kidding me, please don't put words that I have not voiced. I think the RJs have done harm to the industry, more due to management, nothing to do with XJT, they used to fly props before and have gotten the short hand lately by CAL.
Now as for all CAL flying being done by CAL, I agree with you, unfortunately management won't let them and no one would fly in a regional whose name they do not know.
