cfii2007

I don't think they have a training contract.

reevesofskyking

No contract

It seems in my past experince with taking resumes in it is just about a month before the class starts is when people have been getting a call.

That is about all the further ahead they run classes.

paxhauler85

NWA757 has a long history of unrealistic and unfounded comments.

He must me part of the 10% at XJET, as most of their guys are stand up dudes.

By his logic, however; it is better to be part of the 10% at XJET than a nice guy at Mesa, like myself and Desertav8r.

flynavyj

i think some individuals get an elevated feeling from sitting on what they see as a marble tower. Maybe it's personality, or maybe it's from working at a company that has never been considered in the "top tier" competition for regional airlines, but i've never had any ill will towards a mesa, colgan, great lakes, pinnacle, guy/gal that i've ever come across. Gojetters on the other hand....hmmmm


As stated though, no training contract at TSA, and how long before class starts will depend on how desperately they're trying to fill a class and how much time you say you "need" before starting. Had one friend interview on friday, class on monday, but that's because they wanted 40 people, and he was number 40.

nwa757

So you guys realize that we lost our 69 jets at Continental because of this:

The CAL CEO realized that we are a more expensive labor group (we have a good contract, our second year FOs make a liveable wage). He realized that he could find pilots that would fly the same exact ERJ145 and CRJ200 for less. CAL asked XJT to lower their rates (result: paycuts for pilots) and we said no. XJT isn't exactly the kind of pilot group that will do anything for the dangling carrot.

So, CAL found pilots that would do our job for less. It happened to be CHQ. It could have been TSA. It could have been any other bottom feeder.

So don't look at the big picture with blinders on guys. If Continental couldn't have found other crew members that would do our already low paying job for less, then we may still be flying those aircraft. But, they did. How come? Because folks go to work for the underbidding companies.

Another way to look at it. United and American are able to underbid Continental on 50 seat routes because United and American found TSA to fly those routes for rock bottom costs. That's what put the pressure on Continental to ask XJT to take cuts.

I fully understand this is capitalism, and the passenger is fully benefiting. Who is not benefiting? The american worker, who is underbidding and throwing the pilots at the next gate over under the bus.

This really is the feeling of the majority of RJ pilots in the US. There are a handful of guys on this thread that don't think that way. Maybe they think through HK vision. I don't know. It's shirley something to think about. And don't call me shirley.

flyinaway411

Dude, get off your high horse! "XJT pilots aren't that kind of pilot group" I've got two friends at XJT and I'm glad their not as arrogant and uneducated as you are. Nobody wants to take pay cuts, and we are all fighting to getting better wages. tsa PILOTS did not give away your flying, tsa PILOTS did not make your company decide to do it own branded flying, and tsa PILOTS certainly did not make the cost of oil go up during this period. tsa PILOTS or any one elses pilots are not the reason your company is in the red. get over over yourself man! and as far as what other rj pilots think across the country, i can assure you that you are in the minority.

nwa757

Not sure what is uneducated about my post. Was working for Hulas an educated decision?

groovinaviator

NWA757...
Your post was well written and I have no idea what part of it was "uneducated".


XJet being in the red means nothing... multiple economical factors most beyond anyone's control are the reason. However, AWAC isn't in the red but i can assure you 100% that we have a concessionary contract because we were undercut by companies that have ridiculously low labor costs. Concessions or lost flying happened to AWAC, ACA, ExpressJet, and when AMR sells of Eagle it will happen. Who will take Eagle's flying... who will win this race to the bottom? Maybe TSA or MESA will get it... how cheap would you guys work for if it meant more shiny jets? Free? Just curious. All good companies with a good product are taking losses to guys who are willing to work under a terrible contract.

God bless the free Market... this is just the way it goes.

groovinaviator

Working for Hulas was an educated decision. He thinks he will upgrade quick and get out. I sincerely hope it happens and he doesn't get stuck... that would suck bad. Being stuck at TSA in the right seat would be even worse, but they told him upgrades were 1.5 years or less so something like that could never happen... never has and never will!

AV8ER

So you all have proved your point that TSA's EXPIRED contract is crap. But thats the point. It's expired! It's been expired for 2 YEARS! And we're still working under it! And guess what? We'll probably be working under it for 2 more years! Why? Because this pilot group is tired of being abused and underpaid! Because the VAST majority of this group will REFUSE to settle just to get a current contract. In no way will this group work for free just to get more planes. Have we forgotten why trans states isn't flying 700's?