rickair7777

135 operations routinely require SIC's for aircraft which are not certified to require SIC's. This is an OPSPEC/FAA requirement, and is legal and legit.

Jetjock65

ASA- I dont think he's heard from them yet. I talked to him yesterday and he said that if they did not call by today that he was going to call them. He's a heck of a nice guy and a good pilot on top of that( he was my sim partner). I think there is a chance were talking about the same person because I know he has a few friends here on the board. It's crazy to me that they give guys like this the run around but then go and hire a bunch of 500hr wonder children. They should be begging a guy like him to come to work for them.
Crazy business!

Jetjock65

Of course he'd make more than a 1st yr Regional FO but would he make more than a 3rd yr capt.? First year pay in the 121 buisness sucks every place including the Majors 1st yr pay. Everyone always acts like your going to make year 1 pay forever. On top of all that turbine time means everything these days and your not going to get that flying a navajo.

LoudFastRules

Hey PIT Dude,

Yes log the time, and yes talk about it in the interview. As said before, be sure you can discuss technical basics about the good ol' Navajo. If the leg was 91, you can certainly log part 91 PIC if you are the sole manipulator of the controls (you have your multi cert, right?). This should be fine for most regional airlines.

For applying to a Major airline your turbine PIC must be "by the book", and it is a different set of rules and conditions from what you are operating under. For a regional, you have proven basic competency, character, and personality to have someone "give" you the shot to fly a somewhat bigger airplane around, and to be willing to spend time with you up front. This actually will mean something to most regional recruiters.

Excel

*I am not an airline guy* but I wouldnt sweat how your logging it when regionals are hiring pilots with 300 hours of 172 time and 15 hours in a duchess. You will be fine I am sure.
I did the same things years and years ago when I started out, and I logged the 91 legs as PIC because I was rated in the plane and did all of the company training, although I did not require a checkride. for the 135 legs, after talking to our cheif pilot and POI, we decided that I should log it as total time, but no pic or sic. I was required to be in the aircaft for insurance but the FAA considered it a single pilot operation. Again, go to 20 different FSDO's and you will get 20 different interpretations on what to do. It never was questioned and it never prevented me from getting any other job. And like someone else said earlier, if you are going to claim that you are a PIC, then you better know that airplane STONE COLD for your interview.

waflyboy

You make good points.

When I wrote that post, here's what I was thinking, but didn't say: Air Ambulance seems to me like a flying job with a good amount of stability. It sounds like the kind of experience that could lead to other part 135 or 91 opportunities, and may provide for good live-in-base quality of life and better pay.

But if the original poster is ready to stomach the world of part 121 flying, and will accept nothing else as a long-term goal, so be it. Better get in while they're still hiring.

Scooter2525

oil prices? hiring spurt on the down spiral? I'm curious because I'm looking at 121 is potential career choice...

waflyboy

1) The US is trending toward economic downturn. The success of airlines is largely tied to the prosperity of the US economy. Granted, nobody knows how long it will last or how bad it will get.

2) US carriers are in a transitional period. Legacies are in merger talks and two regionals have gone out of business so far in 2008.

3)You said it... oil prices. This is a big deal for two reasons. First, it will constrict the general state of the US economy even further. This, of course, means a reduction of demand for air travel. Second, airlines may respond to high fuel prices by increasing fares and increasing load factors. To accomplish this, a reduction of capacity (and pilot jobs) will likely be necessary.

The party is over. If it's your sole desire to work for an airline this decade, I'd get on board now. But be prepared to wait out a long career as an FO, take pay concessions, get furloughed, survive a merger, or some combination of these. If you're a career changer, give it some serious thought.

But that's just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.

Jetjock65

Hope my above post was not rude but 91/135 operations in my opinion suck. Im leaving a 91 jet job making close to 90k a yr when its all said and done (salary+bonuses etc.) but trust me in that buisness they get there money out of you and they will own your life. I'm ready to give up the money for a while in order to actually regain control of my life, and I know eventually even at a regional I'll be back to that kind of money someday. It took me nearly 5 yrs to get there with my old company but trust me you will be away from home alot esp. if you fly for a corporation. In Nov./Dec. I spent 58 nites away from home and could have never had a wife and kids with that kind of schedule, none the less missing every UF game that I have tickets to, so dont plan on to many vacations. Air Ambulance guys and I only say this because I have 2 friends who still do it (for a reputable company) have an awful QOL.
Also the only reason I say anything about low-time guys being hired is because I know first hand how hard the transition is especially in ground school. I hope these guys that are getting hired with these kinds of hours are sharp, both with the books and their flying, this is a whole different type of training than what you have been used to while getting your basic ratings, take this from a guy who started flying a high performance swept wing jet with less than 400TT. it can and will be tough so be prepared, you do not want a failed 121 training note in your PRIA paperwork. Best of luck to ya and if anyone with low time should be hired you should at least your experience includes some type of flying besides in a 172 and a semenhole. Like I said In the begining this post and my post on this board are not to be an a$$h*!@, just looking out for you guys that seem to wana get into 121 flying. Im only trying to look out for you and the Industry. Imagine what kind of contracts and pay they would have to give us if everyone waited to go to the airline with 1000+ time.

PittsburghDude

I've heard a few different things about this also, but you weren't given any problems for the 135 legs being logged as just total time? Not as PIC or SIC?