Pan Am (a/k/a Boston-Maine) Ceases Operations
03-04-2008, 06:11 PM
#21
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You guys b*tch about GoJet here... But never mention Boston-Maine an alter-ego, puesdo scab outfit 100 times worse than GoJet. Unlike GoJet/TSA those pilots were put out of work and had no chance to vote on that flying or retuen to work. ALPA blasted this operation for months because those pilots were non-union while the union pilots hit the street and ALPA was busted at PAN-AM(2) because of Boston Maine.
What about bigsky, weren't they an alter spun off by MAIR? aka mesaba?
03-04-2008, 06:50 PM
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When this union busting was going down I was a ramper for them. I got laid off along with the pilots. Though I was nonunion. They had judges in their back pocket too. They had some of the 727's named after these judges and Melon was definitly the cash cow. We used to have to clean out Citation when came up for a visit. A very dirty organization, glad I never flew for them.
03-04-2008, 06:55 PM
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Also too, most of their 727's were cut up and sold for scrap when they changed their name to Pan Am Systems. They where all X United and Air Jamaica birds. The pilots that flew them were great. They were old school too, wore the old white Pan Am hats. Pretty cool
03-04-2008, 06:55 PM
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So there is no question: This company had absolutely no affiliations what-so-ever with Pan American World Airways 1927-1991. Mellon bought the name and the symbol for super cheap and slapped it on some of his airplanes. Then he did everything they could to steal PA's history and legacy as their own for legitimacy. This whole thing was sacrilegious and blasphemous. Good riddance to a union-busting, law-skirting, shady airline.
http://www.guilfordrail.com/
Disgraceful.
03-05-2008, 10:28 AM
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As a former Capt. for the ALPA side of Pan Am who was fired Oct 31, 2004, I could not be happier to see them finally close the doors. BMA from day 1 was an alter-ego airline formed to bust ALPA. Period. They found a bunch of qualified B727 pilots, some former scabs from other battles, trained them and did proving runs with the Feds. Once all boxes were checked, we were on our way out the door. I was amazed there were scumbags willing to help BMA pull this off and accept $5000/mo salary as a B727 Capt. Funny how months later they were complaining about how bad things were there...DUH!!Now that the lights are turned off, time will tell where these guys will turn up.
Reading the DOT docket (7668), they are begging to keep the J31's flying and parting ways with large aircraft (for the time being). I hope the Feds wake up and finally close this place, pull the certificate and put this Mgmt team on the Lorenzo list of never again in aviation. One can only wish.
Reading the DOT docket (7668), they are begging to keep the J31's flying and parting ways with large aircraft (for the time being). I hope the Feds wake up and finally close this place, pull the certificate and put this Mgmt team on the Lorenzo list of never again in aviation. One can only wish.
03-05-2008, 12:40 PM
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Screw. I shouldn't have clicked on that link. Now my blood pressure's up again.
I agree with all you said. Now I hope they will stop painting trains with the grand old logo.
http://www.guilfordrail.com/
Disgraceful.
http://www.guilfordrail.com/
Disgraceful.
03-05-2008, 01:22 PM
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Rememebr when they were doing east coast ops with the Airbus out of BOS? It must have been the late 90's. I think they were doing BOS-JFK and then some routes down to Florida.
I miss those 727's. At one point they were running the 727 out of ORH (west of BOS) down to Sanford FL. All those versions of course folded and then the shoddy King Air Ops started.
I miss those 727's. At one point they were running the 727 out of ORH (west of BOS) down to Sanford FL. All those versions of course folded and then the shoddy King Air Ops started.
03-08-2008, 08:36 AM
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I'm suprised none of us hotel monkeys caught the USA Today reference from yesterday the 7th, in the "Across the USA" section, 6A:
Maine: Augusta- Some state lawmakers want Pan Am Railways to sell its lines in Maine because of complaints that it's failing to provide timely and consistent service to manufacturing customers. State Rep. Stacey Fitts said there is no evidence that the railroad has improved service since the Legislature first began prodding it to do so three years ago. David Fink, president of Pan Am Railways, said he was unaware of the complaints.
emphasis mine.
Maine: Augusta- Some state lawmakers want Pan Am Railways to sell its lines in Maine because of complaints that it's failing to provide timely and consistent service to manufacturing customers. State Rep. Stacey Fitts said there is no evidence that the railroad has improved service since the Legislature first began prodding it to do so three years ago. David Fink, president of Pan Am Railways, said he was unaware of the complaints.
emphasis mine.
03-08-2008, 09:09 AM
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As I recall, Big Sky was an independent airline purchased by MAIR Holdings with the rumored intention of using them to whipsaw against Mesaba. Now MAIR is selling the assets and keeping the cash.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Airlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Airlines
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