The Juice

Not even an option, there will be no staple. And in my opinion, I am not worried about it. Both PNCL and Colgan can not fill the seats they have with qualified at pilots. I do not think a 200 FO who is about to meet upgrade requirements is going to say, "Hey I think I will take the pay cut and upgrade in the Saab." And for those of us in the Saab the senority wont hurt us on upgrade because time in type still counts. The Q's will still fly out of the East Coasts and will soon be in IAH. If a PNCL guy want to fly the Q at that pay, have at it. Just remember if we merge the lists and we become ALPA as well, we may want to fly some of those jets.

nicholasblonde

I hope to heck there is a seat-lock on incoming Colgan pilots post-list-merging so that you don't end up with a situation where a 9E FO loses upgrade opportunities b/c a Colgan FO with more "seniority" bids a CRJ capt vacancy.

I.e. even if it's 2 for 1, a Colgan 1900 FO with 3 yos (=1.5 years 9E seniority) upgrades on a CRJ before a 9E CRJ FO with 1.4 years seniority. That would get me a little bit angry.

usmc-sgt

There are no Colgan FOs that I know of with over two years in seniority. All that were hired with anywhere near 1000TT have been upgrading into the saab in 12-14 months give or take a few. I will not even begin to speculate or say what should happen with seatlocks because it is a waste of energy since my oppinion does not matter in the long run. As for a BE FO taking a CRJ captain slot if it were even possible I would say it would go both ways. There may be a pinnacle FO living in Presque isle and commuting to MEM and hating life just as there may be a beech FO living in Memphis and commuting to Bar Harbor. If it were to happen it may work out well for some and not so well for others. Mergers never go smooth for everyone. If anyone from PNCL wants EWR it is theirs for the taking.

CubCAPTAIN

There are no 3 year Beech FOs. I don't think there are even any 1.5 year beech FOs here

nicholasblonde

I don't want EWR...I don't want the Q400...I just want my CRJ FO job with a decent contract. I'll deal with whatever I have to deal with b/c that's what I signed up for in this career, but I'll be a little steamed if the union I pay for makes it possible for a guy who voted against the union at Colgan to take an upgrade/base/line from me...hope I don't sound like a DB

Airsupport

no jet i dont think that is what he is saying. look at it this way. it was the pinnacle pilots scope clause that was violated. if the company wanted to grow they should have done it with the pinnacle pilots they had a contract with. instead their attempt to whipsaw us and move our jobs to another airline has been defeated (supposedly right). put yourself in our shoes. what if skywest bought mesa (and no guys i am not comparing colgan to mesa) and then started giving mesa more flying because they are cheaper and have poorer work rules than skywest pilots do. so it would start with a few mesa jets in slc, and then before you know it they are doing all the new flying and taking over some. of course that would take several years but there would be no doubt it would happen. lucky for us we were able to stop this before it got out of hand and hopefully we can come to a quick resolution to this and move on to finish our negotiations.

hahahaha... oh juice, you dont want to fly our nice shiny jets. hey i just hope no one has been at colgan for more than 5 years and wants to be a captain in mem, its senior enough damn it!!!

JetJock16

No offense, you just sound selfish, thinking that a union entitles you to more. I voted yes for ALPA here at SKW but I have no illusions that one pilot deserves more than another, unless that pilot crossed a picked line or accepted a job at an alter-ego carrier (BlowJet), and I believe Colgan pilots did neither! So, they’re entitled to the same rights that you are.

BTW, there will be fences put in place to prevent this from happening for many years to come.

The Juice

I think this may hurt the PNCL guys in the long run. It would be easier to just give you guys a new contract and keep Colgan flying the props and PNCL flying the jet.

The reason I say it may hurt PNCL in the long run is because I think there will be more Colgan guys wanting to fly jets that the other way around. I for one would give a lot of thought in doing a transition from left seat Saab to left seat CRJ after a while, that way we can get that sought after Jet PIC everyone wants.

As far as how we will merge senority, a staple wont happen so nothing much will change. Here is an example. If a Saab FO has 1.5 years senority and 2000 TT w/ 1100 and with the merge his senority drops to .75 years he will still upgrade in the same time, as in now.

The Juice

As I have said in previous posts, you guys might be careful what you wish for. We have old prop planes with lower overall pay for the most part, PNCL has newer jets with overall better pay. Lets merge the lists some we BOTH become ALPA, both groups paying dues. Lets do this and see who moves over to what side quicker. I have always wanted to fly the jet

dingo222

I'm sure plenty of fences will be put up to stop movement etc. 99% of the anti-alpa types at colgan are either 1. gone or 2. so senior in their base that's they'd never move. Staple job is illegal, but it's ultimately up to the PCL MEC or arbitration to decide how it goes. I'm sure there will be ppl from both sides that want to move around, but the majority will stay where they are. The biggest perk to pcl pilots out of this that I see is that you add 400 more voices to your senority list and eliminate the whipsaw threat.