Colgan to be welcomed to Newark by ALPA/Pinnacle Picketing
01-31-2008, 03:24 PM
#21
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yes, that is why i said maybe. we have been having this discussion on our pinnacle board. right now we are both seperate. you guys existed before we bought you. that is a big difference between you guys and gojets. what we are concerned about is that there may come a time when they start furloughing people here and "offering us a job at colgan" to do the new flying they are doing.
01-31-2008, 03:47 PM
#22
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Do you expect him (or her) to single handedly turn Colgan into a top tier, unionized carrier. Attacking every single Colgan pilot is unfair and should not continue. Many DO want a union and DID vote in favor of ALPA. For once in your life, think before you act and realize that all Colgan pilots are not anti-union, scab loving pilots. Their last ALPA vote failed by a single digit margin.
The pilots had no say what so ever regarding the Q pay rates. I was there when they came out and I didn't hear a single pilot go, "wow those rates are pretty good." Most were downright insulted by the rates, but without a union or other bargaining medium there was nothing they could do about it. Furthermore, all new-hires during the first ALPA drive were told not to vote in favor of a union. The company brainwashed them from the get-go.. I doubt all those pilots still look upon the company so fondly.
The pilots had no say what so ever regarding the Q pay rates. I was there when they came out and I didn't hear a single pilot go, "wow those rates are pretty good." Most were downright insulted by the rates, but without a union or other bargaining medium there was nothing they could do about it. Furthermore, all new-hires during the first ALPA drive were told not to vote in favor of a union. The company brainwashed them from the get-go.. I doubt all those pilots still look upon the company so fondly.
When some of you guys bash ALPA, let me remind you, its not like ALPA is one person, it is made up of thousands of pilots, some make it appear that ALPA is one guy. It is management that ALPA will be protesting on the 4th, not the Pilot Group...........
01-31-2008, 04:05 PM
#23
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Well, had most of us known the circumstance with Colgan / Pinnacle before getting the job offer with Colin things might be slightly different, but I supposed there would be someone right behind us willing to take to job anyways. I wish the best of luck to you Pinnacle guys and hope to see things work out for both of us. Our pay is definitely atrocious and I feel even worse by the pay that Lynx has taken to weaken our cause. We WILL have ALPA come the next vote and unfortunately by the time things actually change I will probably be long gone, but at least we can start into the right direction. Remember...not all of us at Colin are the bad guys, and we are all in this together.
01-31-2008, 05:40 PM
#24
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ALPA has sunk to a new low. I can't believe that they are actually going to picket against a company that they don't even represent! It is just like an immature child crying and pouting for not getting his way.
ALPA is crumbling, and they know it. With no success at Skywest and Colgan, and soon to voted out at US Airways, they feel they must resort to this behaivor.
Thank God for Right to Work laws so I won't have to join them.
ALPA is crumbling, and they know it. With no success at Skywest and Colgan, and soon to voted out at US Airways, they feel they must resort to this behaivor.
Thank God for Right to Work laws so I won't have to join them.
01-31-2008, 05:45 PM
#25
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ALPA has sunk to a new low. I can't believe that they are actually going to picket against a company that they don't even represent! It is just like an immature child crying and pouting for not getting his way.
ALPA is crumbling, and they know it. With no success at Skywest and Colgan, and soon to voted out at US Airways, they feel they must resort to this behaivor.
Thank God for Right to Work laws so I won't have to join them.
ALPA is crumbling, and they know it. With no success at Skywest and Colgan, and soon to voted out at US Airways, they feel they must resort to this behaivor.
Thank God for Right to Work laws so I won't have to join them.
01-31-2008, 06:08 PM
#26
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Is it like a child "pouting" who doesn't get its way, or is it about PNCL dumping money into Colgan, yet only willing to pay 2nd year F/O's 24/hr? They can put up the money for Colgan, yet they can't take the time to get a good contract done? Get a clue before you start bashing ALPA, and do some research before you make stupid comments
Last edited by JoeyMeatballs; 01-31-2008 at 06:14 PM.
01-31-2008, 06:32 PM
#27
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Colgan FO's are paid $2 MORE per hour than PNCL FO's during their respective 2nd year of service.. just food for thought
01-31-2008, 06:44 PM
#29
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that is a blended rate for all the planes. and since the company is going to try and pay us the same on the 900 as the 200 then yes, colgan now makes more than us... so you see why the pinnacle pilots will be picketing in ewr??? all the money is being poured into colgan,, while the pinnacle pilots are being shown the door.
01-31-2008, 06:47 PM
#30
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ALPA has sunk to a new low. I can't believe that they are actually going to picket against a company that they don't even represent! It is just like an immature child crying and pouting for not getting his way.
ALPA is crumbling, and they know it. With no success at Skywest and Colgan, and soon to voted out at US Airways, they feel they must resort to this behaivor.
Thank God for Right to Work laws so I won't have to join them.
ALPA is crumbling, and they know it. With no success at Skywest and Colgan, and soon to voted out at US Airways, they feel they must resort to this behaivor.
Thank God for Right to Work laws so I won't have to join them.
Last edited by Airsupport; 01-31-2008 at 06:58 PM.
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