mattisawesome

duke,
excellent points, but don't be so down. Everybody on this thread is all down in the dumps about everything. You are definitely right about us using oil for many products. I do not think we are at "peak" oil. We may be at traditional peak oil there are different ways of finding oil now which I have thoroughly laid out. I think the airlines can weather this and I also think that different types of fuels can be found to run planes and cars. It's things like plastics, and oil derivatives that we will need to really figure out. However, the market is due for a correction to filter some of the junk out of the system. The funny thing is this big emphasis on peak oil has been drummed up again because we've had a spike in demand over the last 3-4 years. I believe the only thing that has peaked is oil prices and I think demand will start to fall again. Other sources of oil are still there. You guys just keep flyin...there are people working on all of this and we will find another fuel.

The Chow

I still think it's pretty encouraging if those stories that I posted on youtube are accurate.

I was always under the impression that electricity plants are actually the biggest consumers of oil.

Dark Knight

An apc member who I happen to agree with on most views.
PM him and ask his opinion on this thread, I'm sure he wouldn't mind.

CPOonfinal

waflyboy, matt, rick and TD, (and everyone else),
If you've done any research on my last post you will have found out that I'm right, and wrong. As a Colorado native I remember a lot of press associated with oil but was wrong in the details. As far as oil shale in WV, it's coal not oil shale. Well, like rick said there are a lot of new technologies making it possible to develop oil reserves previously out of our reach. One of which is the Colorado oil that is in the form of shale. We're just a couple million years too early. However, there are some very smart people (like rick ) developing the technology to tap that HUGE resource. If there were quality/affordable electric or hydrogen powered cars I would be all over it. I have a 30 gal tank on my truck and I'm a bit tired of paying $100 to fill it up.

Just to say it again because I'm adult(ish) at times, I was wrong about the oil in Colorado. I was kinda right though....http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html

BUILD MORE NUKE FACILITIES!!!!! We'll just sent the waste to Iran

aerospacepilot

The entire nation would be so much better off if they accepted the "California view." If that happened, then 35% of our power would come from renewable energy (wind, hydro, solar) instead of more than 90% fossil fuels (which is where the rest of the nation gets its power from.)


Part of the reason why people are so protective of the environment in California is we have some of the best environment in the entire world. People who have lived here long enough realize we cannot just destroy the environement, because if we don't it will "harm the economy." I would much rather pay 1 cent per kilowatt hour more than the national average for my electricity to have some of the best environment in the world protected.

And besides, our strict environmental policies have done so much to harm our economy [/SARCASM] By itself, California is the WORLD'S 5th largest economy. Do you ever wonder why property value is so expensive in California? Because we take care of our environment.

NZAV8R

One thing's for sure is that airlines that fly a lot of long haul routes are going to have to figure something out soon - to offset the ever increasing CASM. It may have been mentioned here already, but Air NZ, Boeing and Rolls Royce have plans to start limited trials of using biofuel. Click here to go to a blog that discusses it. Also, Airways New Zealand in collaboration with NZ and QF have been conducting trials of 'Optimum Arrivals' (approaches made at flight idle -under certain conditions) into AKL to determine their viability, and to obtain data about the amount of fuel savings derived. Click here to read about it. Similar trials to these have also been conducted at SFO.

mattisawesome

Aero,
While I know you have good intentions what you are saying is not realistic. If it were possible for us to have 35% of our energy come from wind, solar, or hydrogen power then it would. These types of energy cannot keep up with the out put of oil and therefore will not work. Just for your info 50% of our electricity comes from coal. If you are talking about nuclear then I would agree with you. California does indeed have many amazing environments but there is a balance that could be struck between the two. You guys do have a ton of oil offshore and onshore it is almost mind boggling. Our company does alot of business in California but the bad thing about Cali is that everything is taxed to death. They would charge you to breath if they could justify it. And, actually, ridiculous environmental and invasive government policies have damaged the California economy. I think there are ways a compromise could be made if anyone was willing to compromise but I doubt anyone in Cali would. Most people I have met in California automatically think that someone who says anything about trying to find oil are money grubbing, nature hating idiots. However, it may never matter because I think we will find ways around oil in the near future. I'm all about you guys keeping all your amazing scenery and oil drilling can be done in a way that will not interfere with it. It's done all the time without you even knowing about it. One way is that there are rigs off shore that drill horizontal wells to on shore to draw oil out. Rigs are also disguised offshore.

SaltyDog

Why is property so expensive in other parts of the country? Boston, Miami, for example?

Dark Knight

No, not at all. It is called supply and demand. A natural market occurrence. Far from anything to do with Californians being environmentally minded. Isn't LA known for its smog?

Dark Knight

Japanese cars are more fuel efficient and are selling more and more by the day. Californians and their environmentally conscious ways are buying these cars. As a result too many detroit auto workers are out of a paycheck, consequently their property values have fallen drastically lately because they can't pay their mortgages.