SJS - The Career Killer (tv spot)
01-14-2006, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by dckozak
If you stopped here, before reading this tomb, you'd could almost guess what a sim instructor/ training captain 
will be saying about "line pilots".
More of the babble of, "airline pilots are disconnected from reality......... BS"
it continues on, but you've heard it before
No hint of profiling here
Sure some pilots do have multiple wives, clearly not unique in current society; some pilots do whine about their lot, everywhere we find people who complain about how much they make, how broke they are, how they need more. So what?? Aren't pilots entitled to be human too??
More dribble I could address, but frankly, why bother. This sim/instructor/mgt pilot thinks he's got a great deal at his regional, feels he's already over paid and under worked, and, by god, others making any more are grossly over paid.
will be saying about "line pilots".More of the babble of, "airline pilots are disconnected from reality......... BS"
it continues on, but you've heard it before
No hint of profiling here
Sure some pilots do have multiple wives, clearly not unique in current society; some pilots do whine about their lot, everywhere we find people who complain about how much they make, how broke they are, how they need more. So what?? Aren't pilots entitled to be human too?? More dribble I could address, but frankly, why bother. This sim/instructor/mgt pilot thinks he's got a great deal at his regional, feels he's already over paid and under worked, and, by god, others making any more are grossly over paid.
01-14-2006, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I would agree with you that there are pilots with 5000 hours who are poor pilots, and some straight out of flight school that are sharp. Yet many of these same individuals who are sharp in the aircraft and know the systems, also lack a basic amount of respect for the field they are entering and the dangers it entails to not just them, but their passengers. I have seen some of these young pilots turn into "wonder captains", pilots who upgrade immediately after their 23rd birthday. They view flying an RJ as a sport or a game. The barber pole is a goal, not a limit. De-icing the aircraft is optional (in spite of the rash of accidents with the CL-65 series). Flying is just one big joke.
In the past most of these pilots were weeded out before they got their hands on jets or aircraft carrying more than 19 passenger. Mother fate does not tolerate fools, and these types were either killed, scared straight, or scared out of flying. Now, they are going straight to the regionals, no weeding out process.
In the past most of these pilots were weeded out before they got their hands on jets or aircraft carrying more than 19 passenger. Mother fate does not tolerate fools, and these types were either killed, scared straight, or scared out of flying. Now, they are going straight to the regionals, no weeding out process.
01-14-2006, 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by flyfastmwl
I agree with you. The "wonder captains" are one concern, but there are "experienced" captains to worry about too. That said, it's sometimes very hard to interview a 20-yr old kid and think "do they have the maturity to be a captain in three or four years?" We've passed on more than a few "paper" qualified pilots because we just couldn't say yes to that question. And more than a few have failed to upgrade to captain when their senority number came up because of a lack of "command authority". Still, how many have gotten through and when (not if?) will they hurt someone. The FAA won't react until blood is spilled.
It is another thing to hire the 20 year old straight out of a flight academy with 250 hours. These pilots usually fly well, and I do not have a problem with them being hired as FOs. The problem comes when they move to the left seat in 3-4 years. Lets face it, a pilot learns quickly which face to put on while in training and while with the instructor. It is often a different face when they are on their own.
Are there poor pilots with years of experience? Yes, but looking at the FAA data base the experienced pilots, statistically, have far fewer accidents.
I think a good solution is to require commercial minimums for FOs in 121 operations. Make the pilot go out and get some experience instructing, hauling checks, doing other things where he/she can make mistakes and learn the difficult lessons with out risking the lives of 50+ passengers. But this will not happen until Pinnacle II, an accident by some regional in an RJ, like the Pinnacle accident, but with passengers.
01-14-2006, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Again, I think this is where experience comes into play. It is one thing to hire a 20 year old who has been flying since he/she was 16, has a CFI/CFII/MEI and has been cutting his/her teeth on aviation. This kind of pilot brings experience beyond the age. In 3-4 years when upgrade comes about this pilot will have 7-8 years of flying experience.
It is another thing to hire the 20 year old straight out of a flight academy with 250 hours. These pilots usually fly well, and I do not have a problem with them being hired as FOs. The problem comes when they move to the left seat in 3-4 years. Lets face it, a pilot learns quickly which face to put on while in training and while with the instructor. It is often a different face when they are on their own.
It is another thing to hire the 20 year old straight out of a flight academy with 250 hours. These pilots usually fly well, and I do not have a problem with them being hired as FOs. The problem comes when they move to the left seat in 3-4 years. Lets face it, a pilot learns quickly which face to put on while in training and while with the instructor. It is often a different face when they are on their own.
01-14-2006, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ERJ135
I am 21 and been flying for almost 7rs now. Started when I was fourteen and when I interviewed with Colgan and they told me I was not a right for the company and I always wondered if my age was a factor. Just my two cents..
01-16-2006, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ERJ135
I am 21 and been flying for almost 7rs now. Started when I was fourteen and when I interviewed with Colgan and they told me I was not a right for the company and I always wondered if my age was a factor. Just my two cents..
At my current airline, I picked an aircraft where I stagnated as an FO. Other pilots in my class went to a different aircraft and flew 75-100 hours a month, while I sat on reserve for 7 months and only flew about 10 hours a month. I had lots of family time, but did not get to upgrade as fast. I watched as some of these pilots moved on to the majors, while I was stuck. After 9/11, these pilots were the first to get furloughed. Some where not even out of ground school.
So my advise is to critique your interview with Colgan, but try not to dwell on it. Continue to build up your aviation experience. And good luck to you. I have been in your place, and things get better.
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