What do you do when your captain doesn't talk?
12-27-2007, 05:52 PM
#41
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Why not report him and get the problem fixed? Are you afraid of speaking up about an individual that makes YOU look like an idiot? He will just get a speach from the CP and things will be better for all of us. Keep up the good work, but do NOT be afraid of changing an a*****e in to a good pilot.
Wrong, you fail. Please return your 767 type to the nearest blanket party box office.
12-27-2007, 05:56 PM
#42
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Sounds like you understand that it's about what's right and not who's right..............
................. It's hard to be in a subordinate position when you don't feel like there is any leadership going on. It's experiences like this that help you determine what kind of Capitan you'll be.
................. It's hard to be in a subordinate position when you don't feel like there is any leadership going on. It's experiences like this that help you determine what kind of Capitan you'll be.
Amen to that!!!
atp
12-27-2007, 05:59 PM
#43
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Yes, but a subordinate position IS a subordinate position. This is not a safety of flight issue. Do you want to possibly cause a safety issue by distroying CRM on the flight deck by making an end run around the PIC?
Just asking.
Most pilots would not let a difference of opinion about a customer service PA disrupt CRM during a diversion.
Just asking.
Most pilots would not let a difference of opinion about a customer service PA disrupt CRM during a diversion.
12-27-2007, 06:07 PM
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Yes, but a subordinate position IS a subordinate position. This is not a safety of flight issue. Do you want to possibly cause a safety issue by distroying CRM on the flight deck by making an end run around the PIC?
Just asking.
Most pilots would not let a difference of opinion about a customer service PA disrupt CRM during a diversion.
Just asking.
Most pilots would not let a difference of opinion about a customer service PA disrupt CRM during a diversion.
atp
12-27-2007, 06:13 PM
#45
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ATP, that is different. I agree the PA should be made, but in bad weather, with low fuel forcing a divert, coordination with the company, selection of the best suitable alternate, briefing it up and checklists make for a busy time. Throw in an unfamiliar airport, short, or contaminated runway, after a long duty day, and safety begins to become a real concern. As a FO, or Captain, I need the team working for me in those situations. I don't want 80%, or 10%, of my crew's attention diverted.
12-27-2007, 06:20 PM
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ATP, that is different. I agree the PA should be made, but in bad weather, with low fuel forcing a divert, coordination with the company, selection of the best suitable alternate, briefing it up and checklists make for a busy time. Throw in an unfamiliar airport, short, or contaminated runway, after a long duty day, and safety begins to become a real concern. As a FO, or Captain, I need the team working for me in those situations. I don't want 80%, or 10%, of my crew's attention diverted.
Given the situation that you just describe, I totally agree. Every crewmember should be on top of their A-game. It's essential and necessary. And really during any phase of the flight the CA & FO should have each other's undivided attention.
12-28-2007, 12:46 AM
#47
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ATP, that is different. I agree the PA should be made, but in bad weather, with low fuel forcing a divert, coordination with the company, selection of the best suitable alternate, briefing it up and checklists make for a busy time. Throw in an unfamiliar airport, short, or contaminated runway, after a long duty day, and safety begins to become a real concern. As a FO, or Captain, I need the team working for me in those situations. I don't want 80%, or 10%, of my crew's attention diverted.
In an absolute worst case scenario, with system failures and fires and all the fun of a sim ride, I would say maybe it's ok to not brief the passengers. Otherwise, you can find 10 seconds to tell them what's going on. I've been on many flights that have diverted to airports less than 20 miles from our current position, and we found time in there to brief the passengers. It's not that hard. If you've let yourself get into a situation where spending another 10 seconds in the hold before diverting would result in a critical fuel situation, you have more issues you need to work out in your flight planning practices than just whether or not you tell the passengers anything...
12-28-2007, 08:22 PM
#48
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ATP, that is different. I agree the PA should be made, but in bad weather, with low fuel forcing a divert, coordination with the company, selection of the best suitable alternate, briefing it up and checklists make for a busy time. Throw in an unfamiliar airport, short, or contaminated runway, after a long duty day, and safety begins to become a real concern. As a FO, or Captain, I need the team working for me in those situations. I don't want 80%, or 10%, of my crew's attention diverted.
At what point could 50 pax become a safety issue to the lone crewmember in the back? It takes all of 10 seconds to ding the intercom and let the F/A know, "Hey, we're diverting to ABC. Make an announcement and as soon as we have a little more time we'll make one."
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