Former SkyWest Chief Pilot in slc
12-21-2007, 05:15 PM
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Former SkyWest Chief Pilot in slc
I recently read the Court decision concerning a Capt fired from Skywest for calling in fatigued and getting his job back. Would like to know what the general concensus is at Skywest concerning this former "Chief Pilot".
12-21-2007, 05:31 PM
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I'm not at Skywest, but I'm glad he got his job back. That is BS to fire someone for that.
12-21-2007, 09:05 PM
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KB wrote up a good rebuttal - its always good to hear both sides...
12-21-2007, 10:15 PM
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The guy that fired him is no longer a chief pilot for SkyWest.
The case isn't as simple as a captain calling in fatigued lead to getting fired. And that same chief pilot actually fired another guy for a "personality conflict", who then recorded the conversation, ultimately sueing SkyWest and winning for really big bucks.
That final case is what ultimately got the CP reassigned (he still works and flys for the company).
Unfortunately, that same "fatigued" pilot may end up facing an FAA certificate action for flying while not medically qualified to do so.
12-21-2007, 11:41 PM
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The guy that fired him is no longer a chief pilot for SkyWest.
The case isn't as simple as a captain calling in fatigued lead to getting fired. And that same chief pilot actually fired another guy for a "personality conflict", who then recorded the conversation, ultimately sueing SkyWest and winning for really big bucks.
That final case is what ultimately got the CP reassigned (he still works and flys for the company).
Unfortunately, that same "fatigued" pilot may end up facing an FAA certificate action for flying while not medically qualified to do so.
The case isn't as simple as a captain calling in fatigued lead to getting fired. And that same chief pilot actually fired another guy for a "personality conflict", who then recorded the conversation, ultimately sueing SkyWest and winning for really big bucks.
That final case is what ultimately got the CP reassigned (he still works and flys for the company).
Unfortunately, that same "fatigued" pilot may end up facing an FAA certificate action for flying while not medically qualified to do so.
Silly. I dont really care what the circumstances were (Yes I have read the FULL report/court document) the fact is that at some point while he was on duty he didn't feel up to the task of flying which in my opinion is perfectly fine. If for some reason I call in sick in the middle of a trip and then admit I wasn't 100% to begin with, in theory the FAA, according to what you are saying, can take certificate action because I wasn't 100% to start off. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard and would set a very bad precedent
12-22-2007, 04:56 AM
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The guy that fired him is no longer a chief pilot for SkyWest.
The case isn't as simple as a captain calling in fatigued lead to getting fired. And that same chief pilot actually fired another guy for a "personality conflict", who then recorded the conversation, ultimately sueing SkyWest and winning for really big bucks.
That final case is what ultimately got the CP reassigned (he still works and flys for the company).
Unfortunately, that same "fatigued" pilot may end up facing an FAA certificate action for flying while not medically qualified to do so.
The case isn't as simple as a captain calling in fatigued lead to getting fired. And that same chief pilot actually fired another guy for a "personality conflict", who then recorded the conversation, ultimately sueing SkyWest and winning for really big bucks.
That final case is what ultimately got the CP reassigned (he still works and flys for the company).
Unfortunately, that same "fatigued" pilot may end up facing an FAA certificate action for flying while not medically qualified to do so.
12-22-2007, 05:44 AM
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If that is the case, my guess is that ALPA would be interested anyway. I agree that it would be a very bad precedent to go back and take certificate action against someone who calls in sick in the middle of a trip. I could see the company using that as a threat to convince you not to call in sick. "Oh you are sick now? Well are you sure you felt 100% yesterday, maybe we should have the feds look into that for you."
12-22-2007, 06:20 AM
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I have called in sick in the middle of a trip at an outstation (woke up with a killer sinus infection) and they just flew someone out to cover the trip.
As for someone threatening my certificate over it, I would have laughed, called the union, and then tell them I'll go to the doctor once my cold is over.
12-22-2007, 07:55 AM
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I think the problem was that it was a stand up, and he called in fatigue for the entire crew. Theres the mentality that if you're about to a continuous duty overnight, you should have prepared your body for it.. and the inappropriateness of calling the rest of your crew in fatigued. If he was unfit for duty, he shouldve called in for himself (before the stand up started), but not everyone else.
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's back at Skywest and back on line, but what a ridiculous thing to do. And if it wasnt for TF going after this guy and a lawsuit involved, I doubt the FAA would have anything to do with this. TF is the one that should be fired..
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's back at Skywest and back on line, but what a ridiculous thing to do. And if it wasnt for TF going after this guy and a lawsuit involved, I doubt the FAA would have anything to do with this. TF is the one that should be fired..
Last edited by WILLTinbound; 12-22-2007 at 07:57 AM. Reason: I cant wait to have a grasp on the english language..
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