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#71
I found my 1000+ hours as a flight instructor to be the most formative in my career. Light bulbs were constantly coming on as learning reached the correlation level watching others make mistakes as I analyzed how to correct them. I will say however that there is much more to be gained from CFII instruction than sitting in the pattern with private pilot students. (although that has tremendous value as well) The things you do teaching instruments are the same things you will do for the rest of your career as professional pilot so you might as well master them. Just the other day in the maddog sim I had to hand fly a raw data full NDB approach. I hadn't done that in a little over a decade yet it went great. I'm willing to bet that it had something to do with the hundreds of hours I spent teaching someone else to do it. Like anything in life however, you get out what you put in. So if you are going to spend 1000 hrs in the pattern, hating every minute of it, pouting, and wishing you were somewhere else then do us all a favor and don't become a CFI.
Lots of people argue that they don't have time to instruct, but for the young guys who are stuck in college for 4 years anyway, do yourself a favor and get your CFI/CFII/MEI as soon as possible and graduate with 1500+ hours and 200+ multi. It will serve you well. As I've said before your goal should be to get hired s soon as possible not with as little experience as possible.
Lots of people argue that they don't have time to instruct, but for the young guys who are stuck in college for 4 years anyway, do yourself a favor and get your CFI/CFII/MEI as soon as possible and graduate with 1500+ hours and 200+ multi. It will serve you well. As I've said before your goal should be to get hired s soon as possible not with as little experience as possible.
#72
I would have to agree that teaching someone anything makes you better at it. Most of my life has been in sales. I would have to say that I have always been a fairly good salesman, but I did not REALLY become great until I was a trainer. I know this is a bit different but showing someone their mistakes will always help you to make less of them yourself.
#73
I was a CFII as well. Yes, it kept me fresh with my intrument knowledge, but flying in day VFR with your student under the hood does not give you instrument operating experience.
I know you will all say "you should teach them in actual." Well, not all flight schools allow it, plus DFW airspace is congested, and if they are very busy with IFR, they do not like to accomodate practice approaches.
I know you will all say "you should teach them in actual." Well, not all flight schools allow it, plus DFW airspace is congested, and if they are very busy with IFR, they do not like to accomodate practice approaches.
#74
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I more than made up for not instructing in my first three months of 121. I am a CFI/II/MEI, and I had instructed for a few weeks (even signed off 4 students) exclusively in the Seminole in the soup, but if you are any bit sharp, you will pick up what you need to very quickly, not burdening your Captains for years on end like some on APC say. Was CFI'ing a good experience for me? Absolutely, but so was getting thrown in a Jet with 500 hours.
#75
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I more than made up for not instructing in my first three months of 121. I am a CFI/II/MEI, and I had instructed for a few weeks (even signed off 4 students) exclusively in the Seminole in the soup, but if you are any bit sharp, you will pick up what you need to very quickly, not burdening your Captains for years on end like some on APC say. Was CFI'ing a good experience for me? Absolutely, but so was getting thrown in a Jet with 500 hours.
As such I avoid making statements about the merits of military flight training because I've never experienced it. I have flown with hundreds of military pilots over the years as Captains, FOs, students, and instructors. So I can speak to the experience of flying with them but not the training they received. While we're on the subject I've found them to be just like anyone else. Some are awesome and some I wouldn't let taxi me across the ramp.
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#76
On the other hand, what Percentage of time in jets is flown under instrument REGULATIONS?
All the time one flies with students (either under IFR or while emulating IFR on a VFR flight), the instructor is able to see every mistake, note common pitfalls, and a zillion other gotchas..... just because he/she was able to OBVSERVE another pilot flying the airplane. I got to see/fly more full appraoches and holds in 100 hours of instrument instruction than I have flown in the last 3 or 4000 hours.
We encouraged students to backseat as often as possible for the same reason: they got to watch other folks mistakes
But for those of you who didn't instruct much nor hauled checks, trying to tell you why that time is good experience is a waste of time. It is kinda like oral sex: those who don't do it will never know what they are missing.
#79
I know American Eagle was looking at the school, I worked at, to pay for someones school if they signed a 5 yr. contract with them or something. It is getting to that time where airlines are looking to pay for training for day one as long as they can own their soul for as long as they want to in the regionals.
A better alternative would be the military for sure, where you would make a very good livable wage for 10 years or more; or paying for your training yourself with loans so you have flexibility in your career. I think an extended contract with a regional lasting many years would be a big mistake for most people. Try negotiating a contract with a regional when the majority of pilots owe a long training contract anyway, good luck with that.
I flew for the regionals for many years as well, and know that any program where they pay for a portion (I can guarantee it will be a shared cost program too) of your initial training will come with many strings that will not be evident to young college kids until it is to late. Regional airline managements for sure can not be trusted as far as you can throw them.
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That was not my intention. I am just trying to make a point with de727ups. He feels that if you spend 1500 hours instructing before going to a regional, you will be safer and more skilled, and are OK in his book. I totally disagree. I spent two years instructing prior to my regional job. Spending all the time in the traffic pattern in a C172 and on short cross country hops in VFR did nothing to prepare me for flying a jet in all sorts of conditions. I can say it may have helped with my knowledge and getting through ground school, but as far as operating and learning flight profiles and operations, it was a very difficult transition and was not in any way like any type of flying I had done before.
DAL4EVER couldn't have said it better. We had guys that instructed for 1500 hours not make it through training, while some of the 300 hour wonder boys aced the training. I rode the jumpseat on company and there was a guy that was in my class that had about 1700 hours prior to hire. Even after a month on the line, he had trouble handling high workloads. Our lower hour guys seem to be having an easier time. Not every case is that way, but it goes to show that flight hours are not a sole measure of skill or what makes a pilot. When I instructed, the old farts that had thousands of hours and years of experience are the ones that scared me the most!
DAL4EVER couldn't have said it better. We had guys that instructed for 1500 hours not make it through training, while some of the 300 hour wonder boys aced the training. I rode the jumpseat on company and there was a guy that was in my class that had about 1700 hours prior to hire. Even after a month on the line, he had trouble handling high workloads. Our lower hour guys seem to be having an easier time. Not every case is that way, but it goes to show that flight hours are not a sole measure of skill or what makes a pilot. When I instructed, the old farts that had thousands of hours and years of experience are the ones that scared me the most!
I find it hard to believe that you instructed for two years. You sound more like a guy who got his CFI / CFII and went straight to a regional after 3 months.
I agree 100% with de727ups.
Where did you do your instructing at?...just curious.
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