DAL4EVER

I can't take it anymore:

When using "their" in the possessive sense it is as I wrote it "T H E I R". Example: "Also they don't like seeing someone who is younger than THEIR kids".

"There" implies a place. I don't have to go there.

I'm done on the grammar lesson. First, I have no problem with "young" pilots. I was fortunate to get hired by a regional at a younger age and was one of the youngest DAL pilots back in the last hiring spree. The younger thing is thrown around because many new pilots don't know how to wear the uniform, walk with Ipods in their ears through the terminal, and in general don't seem to appreciate just how hard it used to be to pay their dues. I don't knock anyone succeeding at a young age. I definitely had some breaks. However, many new pilots don't come to the cockpit with any understanding of high speed aerodynamics, how to use a radar, fly without an autopilot or Flight Director. If you are lucky enough to fly an old technology airplane you will love it. It is flying as it should be. You and the airplane. Shoot an ILS with no automated help. Climb to altitude with no automation. Read a chart. The basics never go out. Someday you might use them.

BTW, I'm probably not more than five years your senior.

Joeshmoe

Did you???

johnso29

I agree. This is something you should be able to no matter what! At my company it is stated that you need to practice all levels of automation. I've had several false localizer captures by the FD, and I had to click the AP off, turn off the FD, and hand fly the approach. God forbid I have to work.

IlliniPilot99

here's a question: who's more experienced:

- the instructor who instructs till 2000 hrs in a C172 and now decides to go to the regionals

OR

- the pilot who went to a regional at 500 hrsin a C172, a couple years ago and now has 1500 hrs of T-SIC in a ERJ145 and now has 2000 hrs at the same time as the instructor

due to that....wouldn't pilots 10 years from now be more experienced b/c they were hired earlier and started flying "jets" earlier...

was just talking about this with some instructors the other day...discuss

KingAirPIC

I understand all of this and agree. However, even though I already knew how to use radar from prior job experience, the airline I transfered to did not show new hires how to properly use radar. I think we would all agree there is a lot of technique involved in using the radar that most regional airline just don't incorporate into training and can't because you need real world experience with radar to understand how to get accurate results. If you've never flown an aircraft with radar and when on IOE on your first radar equipped aircraft doesn't encounter any significant rain then here you are on the line without ANY radar experience by no fault of your own.

I'm sure this happens a lot during the summer. Probably isn't a big deal when you have a understanding captain either.

detpilot

I agree, and that's something that embarrasses me as a younger pilot. Fate is the Hunter should be required reading for all new hires.

DAL4EVER

Ahhhh, young grasshopper. You learn much in short time. The answer is perhaps. As a former RJ captain, '96-'01, I felt that pilots who came to the regionals with solid stick and rudder skills, some good IFR flying and book knowledge and whose only detractor was flight time did better than 2000 hour instructors. One of the most eye opening flights I had was two day with a 6000 TT new hire. I thought I'd sit back and relax with him. I was WAY off! He seriously over-rotated on takeoff, got so far behind his descent that I knew he had no idea what a 3 to 1 rule was and was seriously deficient in his IFR knowledge. Conversely, I've seen 500 hour pilots who really did do a fantastic job and will make great Captains and major airline pilots someday.

The problem with automation is that many pilots use it because they have to not because its convenient. If you learn how to fly using only state of the art airplanes then go fly an RJ you will be on the backside of the power curve, or as the Navy refers to as the region of reverse command, when it comes to flying old equipment such as you will find at NWA, FDX, UPS, DAL,, etc. That's the gripe.

texaspilot76

DAL4EVER has hit it right on the nose. De727UPS, take note. This guy has been in the industry for a while and flies widebodies like you. He knows what he is talking about. Please read and let it soak in.

deadstick35

Clue -- I think we can park ChNookie’s Non-Essential Bus at an old RT, camp in that, survive on Larry’s and free eats at Florala, and fly the Vomit Comet to ATL and back. ChNookie, that concept (LFOGTFOOTW) is lost on this generation, for the most part. It’s “MEMEME.”

N6724G -- Zap hit it on the head. When the fit hits the shan, you have a 2-person procedure to follow in a timely manner. There is no time for dual. And some CA’s DON’T have that experience. With attrition and quick upgrades, new CA could have only a couple of months of experience in that type before moving to the left seat. This is a real example: a guy with a year of CFIing gets hired by a small regional with about 1200TT. People are moving and senior FOs are bypassed because they don’t have 1500TT for the ATP. This new FO is called and takes the upgrade with 300 in type. Hiring continues at a record pace. A month after completing training, in the middle of (insert crazy wx combination), he starts a new trip and the FO is just off of IOE. This new hire had 250TT/25ME and now has a fresh SIC type. Now there is a total of less than 2000 TOTAL between the left and right seats (ed:...looks like DAL4EVER made this point...oops). About the mentoring you experienced as a 2LT, from what I understand, this is a big difference between Army training and all the others. The other services send the pilots to the units already mission trained. It sounds like the Army started changing things with this FS21, but there is a reason it takes the USAF over 18 months to get a pilot to a unit. Also, that PSG/CO mentoring was on the ground for leadership development, right? Not the flying. You had some technical experts to get you through RL progression.



On a side note....
Example:
...and that's all I'm going to say about that...

DAL4EVER

Upon re-reading this I must say, one of the pre-requisites for an ATP is the ability to read, speak and understand English. Unless you slow down and proof your thoughts, you may not have to worry about what anyone thinks.