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Old 12-22-2007, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Tinpusher007
It's easy if you stay proficient. It's very easy to get rusty as an instructor. Though it sharpens mental acuity, you very rarely manipulate the controls while teaching, especially if you teach inst-CFI.
How long did you instruct? I don't know many instructors that would be shown up by their students when it comes to hand flying abilities. I think you are way off on your perception with this topic. Most instructors take an approach or two now and then to demonstrate the proper technique to their students, and most are very proficient with flying as well. I'll take a experienced CFII any day as a copilot over a new 300 hour wonder who just finished an instrument syllabus.
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:06 PM
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I instructed for two years. My CFI/II expired during indoc at my regional. So it was right at 2 solid years. I do not miss one bit of it.

I never said I didn't learn anything instructing. I learned more instructing than during my training for ratings. I could fly a 172 like no other. But it did nothing to prepare me for flying a jet.
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by N6724G
Also, military pilots had to go through intense leadershiip training and decision making training. civilian pilots comming out of these universities dont go through that type of training.
And thank goodness for that. Civilians go through training on how to fly in an airline environement, which works for me at my airline job.

I have found that CRM works a lot better in the cockpit when I'm surrounded by pilots, not guys who are more distracted with showing off their intense leadership and decision making skills....it's an airline flight, not a frigging shuttle launch.

Cooperate-graduate as opposed to "I'll show you that I can be the knucklhead in the left seat".

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Old 12-22-2007, 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DAL4EVER
You guys are right and missing the point. The automation is a tool not crutch. The flight director is reactionary. It reacts to constantly changing attitude, configuration, temperature, turbulence, thrust settings, etc., to compute guidance. I have seen pilots who had to rely on the FD to fly constantly chase it and in so doing produced their own oscillations. I know in the 757/767 it takes 18-20 degrees NU pitch to maintain V2+20 to 1000, 12 degrees to accelerate to flaps up speed, and 10 degrees to maintain 250. I don't need a FD to tell me that. So guess what, that's what I pitch to and lo and behold the FD follows me and locks on to that to tell me I've got good guidance. I don't merely chase it up and down and hope I do what its guiding me to. That leads to an uncomfortable ride for all. And knowledge of this leads mastery to the airplane.

BTW for an RJ, its 12-15 degrees NU for V2+20 to 1000, 10 degrees for 200 knots, 7 1/2 degrees for 250 and 2 1/2 to 3 degrees for 290 enroute climb. Try locking those pitch attitudes and you will find the FD follows you like an obedient dog.
Excellent post with good pointers and good advice..thanks

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Old 12-22-2007, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by FliFast
Excellent post with good pointers and good advice..thanks

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Absolutely - Great post DAL4EVER...

If you don't believe it, kill the FD one day and find the correct pitch-attitudes for what you're flying...then have your PNF re-engage it at some point and watch it come right in to meet you on the artificial horizon.
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
I instructed for two years. My CFI/II expired during indoc at my regional. So it was right at 2 solid years. I do not miss one bit of it.

I never said I didn't learn anything instructing. I learned more instructing than during my training for ratings. I could fly a 172 like no other. But it did nothing to prepare me for flying a jet.
Put down the crack pipe and step away...

All you do in the airlines is fly instruments, if you don't think all your experience teaching instruments helped you in moving on to higher performance airplanes my perception is you're smoking something.
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Old 12-23-2007, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Flaps50
How long did you instruct? I don't know many instructors that would be shown up by their students when it comes to hand flying abilities. I think you are way off on your perception with this topic. Most instructors take an approach or two now and then to demonstrate the proper technique to their students, and most are very proficient with flying as well. I'll take a experienced CFII any day as a copilot over a new 300 hour wonder who just finished an instrument syllabus.
I instructed for 10 months. My experience was having to frequently cancel a lot fo flights for WX and plus the beginning for all of my instrument students was done in the sim. So, in MY experience it was easy to get somewhat rusty...but not necessarily to the point of being "shown up" by my students. Also, you have to remember that instructing is a very controlled environment...different from the "real world" of 121 flying. I was just trying to make the point that someone could be a sharp decision maker, but be a little rusty on the controls from sitting in the right seat in that controlled environment that I spoke of.
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and you'll be even more rusty on the controls after 1000 hours of letting captain honeywell fly the airplane for you...
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