Regionals lowering thier mins, who's next??
11-19-2007, 06:00 PM
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Congrats Boiler......91 flyin is a sweet gig....i miss it.
For the record, i too know 3 guys who just got hired with spirit...all Fo's and no Jet PIC....2 from TSA and one from RAH....Think about whats gonna happen to the majors in the next couple of years....i mean US Airways hasnt hired since 1987...thats 20 years ago....most of those guys are close to retiring
Personally....i wanna hold out for AA...theres something sexy about that 737-900 in all chrome barrelling down the runway....then agian ive always had a thing for chubby women
For the record, i too know 3 guys who just got hired with spirit...all Fo's and no Jet PIC....2 from TSA and one from RAH....Think about whats gonna happen to the majors in the next couple of years....i mean US Airways hasnt hired since 1987...thats 20 years ago....most of those guys are close to retiring
Personally....i wanna hold out for AA...theres something sexy about that 737-900 in all chrome barrelling down the runway....then agian ive always had a thing for chubby women
Airways last hired in 1998 according to the company memo they put out regarding the new pref. hiring.
11-19-2007, 06:09 PM
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I heard at JC that ASA is paying for the FSA RJ course if you get hired and pass the training at ASA. Not sure I got all the details right. Anybody else hear more about this? I heard 250/50, plus the course, and you can get on at ASA. Now, that doesn't do anything for raising the bar with respect to new hire experience levels. But if the airline is going to pay for the training, that's a big step in the right direction.
11-19-2007, 06:14 PM
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I heard at JC that ASA is paying for the FSA RJ course if you get hired and pass the training at ASA. Not sure I got all the details right. Anybody else hear more about this? I heard 250/50, plus the course, and you can get on at ASA. Now, that doesn't do anything for raising the bar with respect to new hire experience levels. But if the airline is going to pay for the training, that's a big step in the right direction.
http://www.flyasa.com/careers/pilot.php
11-19-2007, 09:04 PM
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"I certainly hope you're not flying at 200 MPH when you barrel through that overcast."
174 knots? I'm pretty sure you do that pretty much every time you fly the CRJ in clouds. (sorry, couldn't resist)
We as a pilot group need to take advantage of this current management crisis. Right now, the airlines are just lowering their hiring standards and offering inexpensive carrots in the form of hiring bonuses to fill seats. Eventually, airlines will have to improve pay and QOL to entice career-minded, professional pilots to come to work for them. Think of the long-term, fight for better contracts, and let's take it back!
174 knots? I'm pretty sure you do that pretty much every time you fly the CRJ in clouds. (sorry, couldn't resist)
We as a pilot group need to take advantage of this current management crisis. Right now, the airlines are just lowering their hiring standards and offering inexpensive carrots in the form of hiring bonuses to fill seats. Eventually, airlines will have to improve pay and QOL to entice career-minded, professional pilots to come to work for them. Think of the long-term, fight for better contracts, and let's take it back!
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11-19-2007, 10:43 PM
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Yes, they are all coming down slowly but surely. I ran into a new hire at CMP a couple days ago that only had 1700TT. I guess this means we are hiring below the 2500/1000 posted on the site. Still a far cry from 250 but still coming down.
11-29-2007, 03:49 PM
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While it's definitely good to hear the optimism reflected in this thread, and while I really hope that things keep getting better in '08, there are still plenty of things that can counterbalance the current trends: a looming recession, consolidation taking some slack out of the industry, and oil price instability (i.e. conflict with Iran, regional conflict in the ME).
Interestingly, though, it hit me that we are just now getting into the time where baby boomers are hitting age 60 (people born in 1946-60 are all hitting 60 between 2006 and 2020).
I just hope they don't pass age 65 (or if they do, that dudes won't want to stay past 60...I know plenty of major capts who are actually against age 60, b/c they actually don't want to keep working after 60).
Interestingly, though, it hit me that we are just now getting into the time where baby boomers are hitting age 60 (people born in 1946-60 are all hitting 60 between 2006 and 2020).
I just hope they don't pass age 65 (or if they do, that dudes won't want to stay past 60...I know plenty of major capts who are actually against age 60, b/c they actually don't want to keep working after 60).
11-29-2007, 04:18 PM
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While it's definitely good to hear the optimism reflected in this thread, and while I really hope that things keep getting better in '08, there are still plenty of things that can counterbalance the current trends: a looming recession, consolidation taking some slack out of the industry, and oil price instability (i.e. conflict with Iran, regional conflict in the ME).
Interestingly, though, it hit me that we are just now getting into the time where baby boomers are hitting age 60 (people born in 1946-60 are all hitting 60 between 2006 and 2020).
I just hope they don't pass age 65 (or if they do, that dudes won't want to stay past 60...I know plenty of major capts who are actually against age 60, b/c they actually don't want to keep working after 60).
Interestingly, though, it hit me that we are just now getting into the time where baby boomers are hitting age 60 (people born in 1946-60 are all hitting 60 between 2006 and 2020).
I just hope they don't pass age 65 (or if they do, that dudes won't want to stay past 60...I know plenty of major capts who are actually against age 60, b/c they actually don't want to keep working after 60).
Why do you hope the age 65 legislation doesn't pass? It's only a matter of time before it does anyways, and the only effect raising the mandatory retirement age is further delaying or prolonging a shortage of pilots. Suppose it passes in '08, that would just push the years forward in which boomers will be retiring from '06 thru '20 to '11 thru '25. That's assuming everyone who does qualify to stay through until he/she turns 65 does, since I imagine there would be no real punishent for retiring early.
I'm not extremely well-versed in the age-65 stance, but I just don't see how it would have a huge impact on the industry right now. According to your numbers, we're looking at a pilot shortage (due to mandatory retirement) for at least another 13 years, what's a few more after that?
11-29-2007, 04:42 PM
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2) AA doesn't fly -900s. They fly -800s for what it's worth.
3) The fractional market (2500 mins) is still finding applicants with 5000+ TT. No shortage of apps.
11-29-2007, 08:44 PM
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