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Old 11-08-2007, 04:12 PM
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Toiletduck, who do you fly for? Are you really a cfi running your mouth like that?

As long as you work for someone else, you will always be puppet.
I think Toilet is running for Airline Pilot Central Dbag, but I don't think he'll be able to take that title from me just yet
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:17 PM
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So because we we did not vote union we no longer have a voice? I am pretty sure we can still complain about our pay and try to get it raised by doing so. We have just chosen a different avenue in which to complain through.
Yeah SAPA....LOL! The same ones that got you that great raise a few months ago? Good luck with that one. ROTF!!!
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightpuppy
Yeah SAPA....LOL! The same ones that got you that great raise a few months ago? Good luck with that one. ROTF!!!
Please show me a recent example where ALPA has gotten a regional airline a significant raise. More than a dollar here and there. I have a feeling I will be waiting a while. In some cases I have seen a dollar or so raise here and there through ALPA but more money has been lost through ALPA in the past 10 years than gained. I am pretty sure even SAPA will be able to get that oh so coveted dollar or two that ALPA has been able to negotiate.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:22 PM
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I was looking for any news on that fourth code-share partner, etc.

TD, your union represents gojet and Horizon. If your union is so strong, why didn't get gojet get a Horizon contract? gojet was created circumvent AA's scope with the 50-seat flying, which you should know about because RAH did the same thing. Your MANAGEMENT did the right thing and merged the seniority list of all three companies. TSA's management did not. ALPA fought it and lost.

Also, the IBT chose to represent gojet. Personally, I find this disturbing. Did they not know that gojet was created to not only bust AA's contract, but keep ALPA out as well? Where is the unity among unions? TSA said NO to a crappy offer, which we all applaud. Now you have guys flying there and they are represented by YOUR UNION! Shouldn't IBT have said no to representing them?

If there was ANY unity among pilots in this country, please tell me where. Shouldn't YOU at RAH not fly the Continental stuff? Just as we should not fly the ASA and Comair flying we were awarded? My point is that everywhere you look, union or not, pilots are screwing each other left and right.

Our pay and work rules are at par with yours, if not above! When yours are better than ours, run your mouth then. If they are now, that is news to me from what I have gathered talking to friends who work at RAH. You are just as much of a puppet as anyone else flying for a living.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:25 PM
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I also don't buy off on the fact that SkyWest not being union is dragging down the entire industry nor are we riding the coat tails of the rest of the industry as some people say.
Just wait around for a while........
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by WAVIT Inbound
Please show me a recent example where ALPA has gotten a regional airline a significant raise. More than a dollar here and there. I have a feeling I will be waiting a while. In some cases I have seen a dollar or so raise here and there through ALPA but more money has been lost through ALPA in the past 10 years than gained. I am pretty sure even SAPA will be able to get that oh so coveted dollar or two that ALPA has been able to negotiate.
You would be lucky to get a dollar or two. You guys got 1% for 2/3 of the pilot group and NOTHING for 600+ Brasilia guys. Oh, let's not forget the "override" that amounts to about $40 for 2 trips....LOL!
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightpuppy
You would be lucky to get a dollar or two. You guys got 1% for 2/3 of the pilot group and NOTHING for 600+ Brasilia guys. Oh, let's not forget the "override" that amounts to about $40 for 2 trips....LOL!

Still waiting for that great example of how ALPA is bringing up regional pay.
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Originally Posted by WAVIT Inbound
Still waiting for that great example of how ALPA is bringing up regional pay.
Comair 2001
AWAC 2001

Just to name 2 off the top of my head.
Those were pretty impressive.

Lets think of the other top paying regionals. They are Horizon, ExpressJet, Eagle, and Republic... And what do they all have in common... they are represented by a real union.

Listen, I like Skywest. I think they are ok without a union (atleast at the time being). But I am shocked and appalled at the anti-ALPA sentiment over there. It is really scary.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ryane946
Comair 2001
AWAC 2001

Just to name 2 off the top of my head.
Those were pretty impressive.

Lets think of the other top paying regionals. They are Horizon, ExpressJet, Eagle, and Republic... And what do they all have in common... they are represented by a real union.

Listen, I like Skywest. I think they are ok without a union (atleast at the time being). But I am shocked and appalled at the anti-ALPA sentiment over there. It is really scary.
I don't have a huge problem with the Anti-ALPA setiment. It's when I hear the Anti-Union PERIOD setiment that I cringe when I hear it. When we become totally closed minded about a union then it is scary. I truly did not feel that ALPA was right for SkyWest however. I know I might get flamed for that comment but that is how I feel. I will be completley open to a union that I feel can really benefit SkyWest and is not just out for there 2800 due's paying members.
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Old 11-08-2007, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by WAVIT Inbound
Still waiting for that great example of how ALPA is bringing up regional pay.

I'd love to tell you but I've never worked for an ALPA carrier.
It's not just about ALPA bringing up regional pay. It's about the big picture. The big picture is is that you can 100% guarantee you won't get a raise from management out of the goodness of their hearts. With ALPA, you at least have a shot.
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