While we're on an Anti-Mesa Kick...
11-07-2007, 06:39 PM
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Flies With The Hat On
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While we're on an Anti-Mesa Kick...
Every ERAU, Purdue, ATP, DCA etc. graduate should hit MESA were it counts and go to their respective schools and encourage GA students not to focus their career on MESA. With the shortage of pilots there is no reason why anyone would have to get hired at MESA.
I'm talking facebook and myspace groups here people. We could take the country by storm.
But more importantly would this not help the ALPA negotiations over there?
I'm talking facebook and myspace groups here people. We could take the country by storm.
But more importantly would this not help the ALPA negotiations over there?
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11-08-2007, 10:51 AM
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I already tell everyone from the school that I went to avoid Mesa and any other regional that sucks which in my opinion is most of them. Hopefully this will make the regionals a viable career choice again someday.
11-08-2007, 12:24 PM
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Hmm...
Someone needs to make Anti-MESA myspace and facebook groups and link those groups here. The groups should have some logo and list why people should not work for that company. 
11-08-2007, 12:30 PM
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I walked around the ERAU daytona campus career fair today and among the regional airlines with tables set up were GoJets and Mesa. Mesa had a sizeable line of flight students lined up for information/interviews. This deeply disturbs me, as a recent ERAU graduate to see these rogue airlines set up and recruiting at my school. I wanted to topple the GoJets table. I fly for RAH and i was disappointed to not see them there.
11-08-2007, 01:09 PM
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How about a class/brochure/online presentation to educate students on the state of the airline industry?
It could take a look at the pay rates, work rules, QOL, typical schedules, relations with management, past negotiation experiences, and some other information about each regional airline (and maybe even some majors). The class would be unbiased and would just present the facts that I'm sure could be gleaned from each company's CBA. You could probably make it a pretty interesting class if you brought in some current or former pilots from that airline as guest speakers to talk about their experiences, pros and cons of the airline, etc.
I attend one of the major aviation universities and my classes prepare me very well to fly airplanes safely and efficiently. However, I've had to look outwards for information on the industry and how it works. Thankfully this forum has fulfilled the majority of that role. But I'm pretty sure that I'm in the minority and many other students here would greatly benefit from learning about each airline that they may be working for in the near future. This way they would be educated enough to make an informed decision to avoid the less desirable airlines, or if they do choose to go to one, appreciate the struggles of those who may have fought for unionization and/or better working conditions there and feel more compelled to take a stake in their rights as a pilot. That way they might be more willing to fight for better work rules to ensure that other pilots in the future can enjoy a respectable work environment.
My school prides itself on training some of the best pilots in the world, training and educating skilled pilots, but I feel it's not performing its best at producing informed pilots. The only way I've ever learned about which airlines to avoid is by word of mouth and internet forums. I feel an official program could do a much better job at educating future pilots to help themselves and the industry out in the future.
It could take a look at the pay rates, work rules, QOL, typical schedules, relations with management, past negotiation experiences, and some other information about each regional airline (and maybe even some majors). The class would be unbiased and would just present the facts that I'm sure could be gleaned from each company's CBA. You could probably make it a pretty interesting class if you brought in some current or former pilots from that airline as guest speakers to talk about their experiences, pros and cons of the airline, etc.
I attend one of the major aviation universities and my classes prepare me very well to fly airplanes safely and efficiently. However, I've had to look outwards for information on the industry and how it works. Thankfully this forum has fulfilled the majority of that role. But I'm pretty sure that I'm in the minority and many other students here would greatly benefit from learning about each airline that they may be working for in the near future. This way they would be educated enough to make an informed decision to avoid the less desirable airlines, or if they do choose to go to one, appreciate the struggles of those who may have fought for unionization and/or better working conditions there and feel more compelled to take a stake in their rights as a pilot. That way they might be more willing to fight for better work rules to ensure that other pilots in the future can enjoy a respectable work environment.
My school prides itself on training some of the best pilots in the world, training and educating skilled pilots, but I feel it's not performing its best at producing informed pilots. The only way I've ever learned about which airlines to avoid is by word of mouth and internet forums. I feel an official program could do a much better job at educating future pilots to help themselves and the industry out in the future.
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