U CRJ900/emb175 people.....
09-10-2007, 06:14 AM
#51
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You know a lot of people on this forum tend to blame the 250-500 hour wonder pilot for the woes of the industry. At least in part. However how many of those low timers have ever come onto the property with the ability to vote in or out a contract? At the two ALPA carriers I have flown for I sure didn't. Not within the first probationary year.
How can someone seriously blame some low time kid for taking the job that is the very most likely one to adance his or her career? i.e. glass cockpit 121 jet time vice steam guage 152 instructor time. Obviously it would be nice if more experienced pilots were joining the ranks but do you really think an ATP rated pilot with a couple thousand hours is going to work at a pilot group which allows such low wages?
Management is vastly to blame for this but so are the pilots who vote in the LOAs. Point the finger where it belongs at not just at the low timers.
How can someone seriously blame some low time kid for taking the job that is the very most likely one to adance his or her career? i.e. glass cockpit 121 jet time vice steam guage 152 instructor time. Obviously it would be nice if more experienced pilots were joining the ranks but do you really think an ATP rated pilot with a couple thousand hours is going to work at a pilot group which allows such low wages?
Management is vastly to blame for this but so are the pilots who vote in the LOAs. Point the finger where it belongs at not just at the low timers.
09-10-2007, 07:26 AM
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In my humble opinion, and I say this as a pilot at a major, the blame lies entirely with the pilots at major airline who continually vote to allow more outsourcing of their jobs. Not only are they sending airplanes like an E-175 or CRJ-900 out to be flown by regional pilots, but they take away the ability of the regional pilots to negotiate higher wages by not specifying who will get that flying. The Delta pilots for example, allow 76 seat jets to be outsourced, but no mention is made as to who will fly these jets. If our contract specified all 76 seat jets have to be flown by CMR (or ASA, or SKYW, whoever) then those pilots would be able to use that exclusivity to achieve higher wages. And in the end, higher wages anywhere helps all pilots.
09-10-2007, 07:38 AM
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In my humble opinion, and I say this as a pilot at a major, the blame lies entirely with the pilots at major airline who continually vote to allow more outsourcing of their jobs. Not only are they sending airplanes like an E-175 or CRJ-900 out to be flown by regional pilots, but they take away the ability of the regional pilots to negotiate higher wages by not specifying who will get that flying. The Delta pilots for example, allow 76 seat jets to be outsourced, but no mention is made as to who will fly these jets. If our contract specified all 76 seat jets have to be flown by CMR (or ASA, or SKYW, whoever) then those pilots would be able to use that exclusivity to achieve higher wages. And in the end, higher wages anywhere helps all pilots.
09-10-2007, 07:50 AM
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In my humble opinion, and I say this as a pilot at a major, the blame lies entirely with the pilots at major airline who continually vote to allow more outsourcing of their jobs. Not only are they sending airplanes like an E-175 or CRJ-900 out to be flown by regional pilots, but they take away the ability of the regional pilots to negotiate higher wages by not specifying who will get that flying. The Delta pilots for example, allow 76 seat jets to be outsourced, but no mention is made as to who will fly these jets. If our contract specified all 76 seat jets have to be flown by CMR (or ASA, or SKYW, whoever) then those pilots would be able to use that exclusivity to achieve higher wages. And in the end, higher wages anywhere helps all pilots.
09-10-2007, 10:47 AM
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In my humble opinion, and I say this as a pilot at a major, the blame lies entirely with the pilots at major airline who continually vote to allow more outsourcing of their jobs. Not only are they sending airplanes like an E-175 or CRJ-900 out to be flown by regional pilots, but they take away the ability of the regional pilots to negotiate higher wages by not specifying who will get that flying. The Delta pilots for example, allow 76 seat jets to be outsourced, but no mention is made as to who will fly these jets. If our contract specified all 76 seat jets have to be flown by CMR (or ASA, or SKYW, whoever) then those pilots would be able to use that exclusivity to achieve higher wages. And in the end, higher wages anywhere helps all pilots.
09-10-2007, 12:36 PM
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Regional forum peeps. You need to learn to make your point without the insults. Well over half the moderation at this site is at the regional forums. Some of you need to grow up or go somewhere else.
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