BlueMoon

I believe it is 10 days

http://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/

You can file them online.

skywatch

It has also chosen to waive fines and penalties, subject to certain limitations, for unintentional violations of federal aviation statutes and regulations which are reported to ASRS.

OK, you think I am wrong. I think it is interesting that it says the FAA has also (past tense - no future guarantee) chosen to (their choice, not they HAVE TO) waive fines and penalties (that means money - fines and penalties are financial terms) for violations.

Why not do this? Don't believe me, rather someone do some research and prove me wrong. Post on here some proof that the ASRS program offers the same certificate protection that ASAP does.

Cause I have to ask - why is ASAP so much more complicated then? Why would carriers have ASAP? Why not just search the ASRS database for your safety information?

NMSOAP

Wikipedia-

"If enforcement action is taken by the FAA against an accidental rule violation that did not result in an accident, a reporter can present their ASRS form as proof that the incident was reported. The FAA views the report as evidence of a "constructive safety attitude" and will not impose a penalty [1]. Immunity can be exercised once every five years, though an unlimited number of reports can be filed."

The reference in the article refers to NASA's ASRS website, where it officially says the same thing.

BlueMoon

You do some research and prove to me that is doesn't.

Why would carriers have ASAP? same reason as discussed earlier. To identify problem areas and prevent accidents and reduce insurance premiums (if they aren't self insured) or in the event of an accident to show they are attempting to foster a safety conscious corporate culture (may save a couple mil in lawsuits).

Why more complicated? is it really? not in my opinion. pretty much the same form with maybe a few more air carrier specific carrier questions. Oh and you have to make a phone call.

The part of ASAP that saves your license is the ASRS report they file on your behalf. You know that slip they send you in the mail with the tracking number. You need to hold on to those, they are the only way (and I mean only way) to prove you filed a NASA report, and they will ask for that if they come for your license as proof. No receipt, you SOL.

I need another drink now.

BlueMoon

ASRS - Aviation Safety Reporting System

Anyways I did it for you (took 5 seconds of research, it was on the same website posted earlier)...go ahead and read. I'll even cut and paste the passage for you here.

TurboDog

Was anyone in the recurrent ground recently when the POI sat in? I hear that major red flags were raised when the class started talking about rest requirements and reduced rest. I guess he agrees that reduced rest is suppose to be the exception and not the rule. I encourage everyone who gets a schedule with reduced rest to email it to the FAA. I think thhey are on to something here and I think we can speed it up when we show them that regular schedules are being built with reduced rest. Reduced rest was designed to keep a flight schedule going when the last flight in is delayed due to other circumstances, not as a way to strategically build a schedule.

I also encourage you to write to your congressman on the issue.

xj200capt

"subject to certain limitations"

I happened to click on your guy's thread by mistake and saw your discussion on the NASA and other reports.

I would like to add a couple of comments. First, the quote up at the top of the post isn't as cut and dry as you might think. Keep in mind that the NASA report system was created for getting information out of the general aviation community.

I can tell you from personal experience that NASA seems to change when it involves a commercial pilots mistake. I had a gear up. And while sitting in the informal conference with my attorney and 2 FAA guys, it was stated rather nonchalantly in my opinion that the NASA report didn't really apply because it was a Commercial Operation and it was over a certain dollar damage thresh hold. I was totally blasted when my lawyer stated he realized that...money down the toilet.

I was cleared but after 2 more years and no aviation work for close to 7. (Bad pilot market and a medical issue)

Now the Airline system is pointed directly for us but keep in mind that if a controller reports you before you land, you are hosed. Most protection comes from being the First Source of information. Yes you get days to report but only if your sole source. If someone reports you, well you get a few days but things can get challenging after.

The best thing is to do both reports, but don't fool yourself into thinking you made it off scott free.

Sorry for bothering you guys and I sincerely hope things improve for you. Bye

MD11

I called the pass bureau last week and left my number for a call back requesting details on the extended benefits for us un-employed folks.... no call back. Does anybody know if these benefits continue to include buddy passes. Will call the cp office next.

Thanks.

flyandive

According to Delta's Travelnet help site, I'm assuming it was written for furloughed Delta employees but I would certainly hope it applies to us. It said the furloughed employee would get unlimited S3B on Delta, and Delta Connection flights and eligible pass riders would get unlimited S3B passes with the yield fare.

Delta Recovery Plan and Delta Workforce Program Furloughed Employees Pass

Pass Rider Eligibility Employee and these eligible pass riders of the employee while furloughed with recall rights: spouse/domestic partner or travel companion, dependents and full-time students, non-dependent children, and parents
Pass Privileges Employee - Unlimited S3B flight days (yield fare ticket not required)
Eligible Pass Riders - Unlimited S3B yield fare tickets.
Travel permitted on Delta, Delta Connection (ASA, Chautauqua, Comair, Freedom, Shuttle America and SkyWest).
NOTE: Flights operated by Chautauqua on behalf of US Air (with the US code) are not applicable. Flights operated by SkyWest on behalf of United Airlines (with the UA code) are not applicable.
S1 Emergency Travel Not applicable
Buddy Passes Eight authorizations each pass anniversary year if pass eligible on the anniversary date (furloughed with recall right).
Family Fares Not applicable
Reduced Rates Not applicable. Reduced rate tickets purchased must be used prior to your furlough date. Reduced rate tickets can be refunded following Delta’s corporate refund policy.
ZED Fares Not applicable

This was copied and pasted from a table so it didn't come out just right.

imasaluki

Pass Benefits Extended