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Old 10-10-2008, 03:12 AM
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Any more word on the United flying or are we all holding our breath waiting on "Messa" ?

JS hasn't mentioned that lately. Anyone know?
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Old 10-10-2008, 03:21 AM
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A question for you guys regarding the performance training at JFK. I’m scheduled for a class later in the month. Can I just show up on an earlier date without calling any one? Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
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Old 10-10-2008, 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by flycrj200
A question for you guys regarding the performance training at JFK. I’m scheduled for a class later in the month. Can I just show up on an earlier date without calling any one? Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated.
I don't know for sure, but I would think it would be worth a shot.
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Old 10-10-2008, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by On Autopilot
Any more word on the United flying or are we all holding our breath waiting on "Messa" ?

JS hasn't mentioned that lately. Anyone know?
Doubt there is anything in the works. They wouldn't spend the money to furlough people if this were imminent. I believe this is a cookie that is commonly dangled in front of everyone to smooth them over.
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by On Autopilot
Any more word on the United flying or are we all holding our breath waiting on "Messa" ?

JS hasn't mentioned that lately. Anyone know?
Basically waiting on Mesa to finish its death swirl down the regional lav! They've already done the planning to lease more aircraft if need be.
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Old 10-10-2008, 05:53 AM
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Basically waiting on Mesa to finish its death swirl down the regional lav! They've already done the planning to lease more aircraft if need be.
Who has done the planning to lease more aircraft? Also, falling price per barrel is working in favor for Mesa.
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TurboDog
Do we have an MOU in the contract on the ASAP program? How was this information public?
MOU is generally a seperate document signed by ALPA, FAA, and company. It is not in the contract, because it is an agreement with the FAA as well.

Don't take my word for it; look it up. Ask for a copy of the MOU from a status rep. See if there is anything in it that prevents the company from taking action against a pilot that is participating in ASAP. There isn't. The MOU protects the pilot's certificate from action by the FAA, and ensures the confidentiality of the information in the ASAP program, but if the company finds out about an incident outside ASAP the MOU does not prevent them from doing anything with it.

Don't take my word for it. Maybe I am lying and the MEC is telling the truth. Read it yourself.
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:15 AM
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MOU is generally a seperate document signed by ALPA, FAA, and company. It is not in the contract, because it is an agreement with the FAA as well.

Don't take my word for it; look it up. Ask for a copy of the MOU from a status rep. See if there is anything in it that prevents the company from taking action against a pilot that is participating in ASAP. There isn't. The MOU protects the pilot's certificate from action by the FAA, and ensures the confidentiality of the information in the ASAP program, but if the company finds out about an incident outside ASAP the MOU does not prevent them from doing anything with it.

Don't take my word for it. Maybe I am lying and the MEC is telling the truth. Read it yourself.
So did this pilot not participate in ASAP? Are you saying that if he did, he would be protected, or even if he did that he isn't protected. It seems that if the pilot isn't protected, then we definitely should pull out of that program. The company has too many open loop holes that work in its favor for this day and age.
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:22 AM
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and ensures the confidentiality of the information in the ASAP program
If I remember right from the ALPA meeting that was the problem. There wasn't the confidentiality and that is why the company was disciplining pilots.
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Old 10-10-2008, 06:38 AM
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If I remember right from the ALPA meeting that was the problem. There wasn't the confidentiality and that is why the company was disciplining pilots.
It was one pilot that was disciplined. So you are saying the company used information from the ASAP program against the pilot? Are you familiar with the event? Seems to me that the F/A's screaming in the back were the ones that reported the event to the company, not the ASAP program...seems to me the company knew about it outside the program.

But hey, first time this has happened in six years, right? Why not blow up the program and leave everyone's certificates exposed. Makes perfect sense.
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