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07-02-2008, 08:45 PM
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Breezy Point climb is more or less straight out from the CRI VOR on the Kennedy 1 departure after the initial hard left turn at 400' as opposed to the CRI Climb which involves a left turn of about 70-80 degrees at the VOR... (Not sure on the radial...I dont have my charts in front of me)...
Here's the NOS version of the DP: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3155034/LI...NNEDY-ONE-0806
Here's the NOS version of the DP: http://www.scribd.com/doc/3155034/LI...NNEDY-ONE-0806
Last edited by Diver Driver; 07-02-2008 at 08:58 PM. Reason: Add DP link; fix technical error
07-02-2008, 08:49 PM
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Reverse it, the breezy is pretty much straight off of the Canarsie VOR, the CRI climb is a hard left turn when you hit the VOR.
Breezy Point Climb is to follow the 223 radial outbound from the Canarsie VOR, which is pretty much no turn at all.
The Canarsie Climb (CRI) is a left turn to 176, and you have to lead the turn as to now blow through the course, which was screwing up a lot of guys. (That and the procedure stipulates you staying EAST of the 039 radial to keep you away from inbound LGA traffic).
07-02-2008, 08:55 PM
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Reverse it, the breezy is pretty much straight off of the Canarsie VOR, the CRI climb is a hard left turn when you hit the VOR.
Breezy Point Climb is to follow the 223 radial outbound from the Canarsie VOR, which is pretty much no turn at all.
The Canarsie Climb (CRI) is a left turn to 176, and you have to lead the turn as to now blow through the course, which was screwing up a lot of guys. (That and the procedure stipulates you staying EAST of the 039 radial to keep you away from inbound LGA traffic).
Reverse it, the breezy is pretty much straight off of the Canarsie VOR, the CRI climb is a hard left turn when you hit the VOR.
Breezy Point Climb is to follow the 223 radial outbound from the Canarsie VOR, which is pretty much no turn at all.
The Canarsie Climb (CRI) is a left turn to 176, and you have to lead the turn as to now blow through the course, which was screwing up a lot of guys. (That and the procedure stipulates you staying EAST of the 039 radial to keep you away from inbound LGA traffic).
07-02-2008, 08:59 PM
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Plus, JFK sucks because it is a hell hole... Every time I try to go down to the 'dungeon' to get some food, I wanna puke after walking in that hallway of garbage... All the male FA's are on fire, and every time I see one, its a reflex for me to lunge for a fire extinguisher and the rampies... well, I dont knwo what they are, but its not good.... exucse my drinkng
Last edited by Diver Driver; 07-02-2008 at 09:06 PM.
07-02-2008, 09:33 PM
#5508
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At least it works for me 80% of the time, all the time... 
PS: did you hear about that CA that blew the Kennedy 1 CRI climb and did the Comair Climb instead?!
We all have those 'big fish' horror stories about people we have flown with, I have to agree with "Andy" on this one.
PPS: Anyone know how to check your flightstation balance, I'm trying to calculate how many paychecks Ill get with a zero balance on them....
PS: did you hear about that CA that blew the Kennedy 1 CRI climb and did the Comair Climb instead?!
We all have those 'big fish' horror stories about people we have flown with, I have to agree with "Andy" on this one.
PPS: Anyone know how to check your flightstation balance, I'm trying to calculate how many paychecks Ill get with a zero balance on them....
07-02-2008, 09:35 PM
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What makes the CRI climb more difficult than it has to be is airspeed.
If you just hold 200 knots until making the turn, you will turn right onto the 176 radial. It's the people trying to burn a hole in JFK's airspace and rocket out at 250 kts are the ones that are blowing right through it and causing the problems. They seem to forget that higher airspeed = increased turning radius. Accelerate after you are established on the radial and your problems decrease by a factor of 100.
Breezy point climb is very easy. It's just a turn to the CRI vor and then once you cross the vor, it's only a few degrees of a turn to get on the radial.
If you just hold 200 knots until making the turn, you will turn right onto the 176 radial. It's the people trying to burn a hole in JFK's airspace and rocket out at 250 kts are the ones that are blowing right through it and causing the problems. They seem to forget that higher airspeed = increased turning radius. Accelerate after you are established on the radial and your problems decrease by a factor of 100.
Breezy point climb is very easy. It's just a turn to the CRI vor and then once you cross the vor, it's only a few degrees of a turn to get on the radial.
Last edited by RJtrashPilot; 07-02-2008 at 10:00 PM.
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