Comair updates?
09-17-2012, 07:43 PM
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09-18-2012, 04:56 AM
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So I decide to go to CVG yesterday and went by some of the old sites. First stop was Concourse A where of course it was empty. Lot of flyCVG signage. Next I wanted to check out HQ. The place was devastated. I saw the security gaurds who told me the place was on lock down etc. I still find it hard to believe that Delta (Northwest) just to settle a vendetta allowed this.
That press release of Comairs' cost being out of line was a whole lot of tiolet paper. First you reduce a wholly owned to having the most senior employees and then complain about the cost? You did it to have an excuse to get rid of them.
Well enough of that. It was just sad to see what happened. Wonder why Delta just didn't allow Comair to become employee owned? You know IPO then hey guys, your on your own.
I then saw that Flight Safety was closing as well as GE Avaition. The folks there did not undestand Deltas' reasoning either. Oh well. Yesterday was just.........sad.
That press release of Comairs' cost being out of line was a whole lot of tiolet paper. First you reduce a wholly owned to having the most senior employees and then complain about the cost? You did it to have an excuse to get rid of them.
Well enough of that. It was just sad to see what happened. Wonder why Delta just didn't allow Comair to become employee owned? You know IPO then hey guys, your on your own.
I then saw that Flight Safety was closing as well as GE Avaition. The folks there did not undestand Deltas' reasoning either. Oh well. Yesterday was just.........sad.
09-18-2012, 05:07 AM
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09-18-2012, 05:28 AM
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So I decide to go to CVG yesterday and went by some of the old sites. First stop was Concourse A where of course it was empty. Lot of flyCVG signage. Next I wanted to check out HQ. The place was devastated. I saw the security gaurds who told me the place was on lock down etc. I still find it hard to believe that Delta (Northwest) just to settle a vendetta allowed this.
That press release of Comairs' cost being out of line was a whole lot of tiolet paper. First you reduce a wholly owned to having the most senior employees and then complain about the cost? You did it to have an excuse to get rid of them.
Well enough of that. It was just sad to see what happened. Wonder why Delta just didn't allow Comair to become employee owned? You know IPO then hey guys, your on your own.
I then saw that Flight Safety was closing as well as GE Avaition. The folks there did not undestand Deltas' reasoning either. Oh well. Yesterday was just.........sad.
That press release of Comairs' cost being out of line was a whole lot of tiolet paper. First you reduce a wholly owned to having the most senior employees and then complain about the cost? You did it to have an excuse to get rid of them.
Well enough of that. It was just sad to see what happened. Wonder why Delta just didn't allow Comair to become employee owned? You know IPO then hey guys, your on your own.
I then saw that Flight Safety was closing as well as GE Avaition. The folks there did not undestand Deltas' reasoning either. Oh well. Yesterday was just.........sad.
09-18-2012, 07:57 AM
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Hello everyone. Hey I know this has been beaten to bare feet, but I jumpseated in on Comair yesterday, and was told to update my stuff at airline apps. I fellow pilot told me that Comair is about to ramp up hiring again due to the fact of sooooooo many pilots leaving, even with lower mins they can't get enough to replace the attrition. I also heard once they restart, mins are going to go to Comm. Inst. ME.
Any truth to the rumor ?? What have you heard?
Thanks.
Any truth to the rumor ?? What have you heard?
Thanks.
09-19-2012, 05:07 AM
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It is true there is alot of attrition here right now. Last month 30 pilots left. We have been averaging about that many for at least 6 months. Last months breakdown was 10 CA and 20 FO.
We are scheduled for 3 new hire classes in October after only having 1 in August and 2 in September.
Pilot Vacancy bid closes today with 34 captain upgrades. (Company memo says expect 60 more upgrades in first quarter of 08.)
Havent heard anything about new hiring mins.
We are scheduled for 3 new hire classes in October after only having 1 in August and 2 in September.
Pilot Vacancy bid closes today with 34 captain upgrades. (Company memo says expect 60 more upgrades in first quarter of 08.)
Havent heard anything about new hiring mins.
09-19-2012, 05:17 AM
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So I decide to go to CVG yesterday and went by some of the old sites. First stop was Concourse A where of course it was empty. Lot of flyCVG signage. Next I wanted to check out HQ. The place was devastated. I saw the security gaurds who told me the place was on lock down etc. I still find it hard to believe that Delta (Northwest) just to settle a vendetta allowed this.
That press release of Comairs' cost being out of line was a whole lot of tiolet paper. First you reduce a wholly owned to having the most senior employees and then complain about the cost? You did it to have an excuse to get rid of them.
Well enough of that. It was just sad to see what happened. Wonder why Delta just didn't allow Comair to become employee owned? You know IPO then hey guys, your on your own.
I then saw that Flight Safety was closing as well as GE Avaition. The folks there did not undestand Deltas' reasoning either. Oh well. Yesterday was just.........sad.
That press release of Comairs' cost being out of line was a whole lot of tiolet paper. First you reduce a wholly owned to having the most senior employees and then complain about the cost? You did it to have an excuse to get rid of them.
Well enough of that. It was just sad to see what happened. Wonder why Delta just didn't allow Comair to become employee owned? You know IPO then hey guys, your on your own.
I then saw that Flight Safety was closing as well as GE Avaition. The folks there did not undestand Deltas' reasoning either. Oh well. Yesterday was just.........sad.
09-19-2012, 07:41 PM
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I've been aware of the news of Comair's impending shutdown for a few weeks now, but I've not yet found words to express my thoughts about this. While I've long been frustrated by Comair's lack of ability to find a way to succeed, and haven't been shy about sharing this, I always hoped that someday things would get sorted out...though I knew that was a long shot.
For those who are still at Comair, I wish you the best. I withdrew my participation from the circus about three years ago. I miss flying professionally (though apparently not enough yet to get motivated enough to pursue other flying opportunities), but I don't miss the regional airline drama.
The thing I miss the most is the professionals I worked with. There's just nothing like being surrounded by people the caliber of the overwhelming majority of Comair's flight crewmembers, and many of the cabin crewmembers. Even the ramp agents, when they were Comair employees, were professional far beyond the norm for that position.
For those who are left without a chair when the music stops, and find themselves struggling with what to do next, I offer the following quote I originally posted in this thread in early August, 2008. I hope it communicates a different perspective than what you've heard from Comair management during the last seven years or so.
This quote was written to encourage people to look into opportunities they otherwise might not...business ownership being one of those opportunities. If I were re-writing this today, I'd probably de-emphasize that aspect a bit...largely due to the lack of quality businesses currently for sale due to the depressed economy, and a more challenging financing environment for new small business owners.
Still, there are employers out there who are desperate for people like yourselves, with the qualities you possess that transfer directly from the flight deck to the office desk.
Best wishes to everyone as you embark on your new future!
For context, this was written in response to a member here who asked "Any ideas on what someone can do with an aviation degree outside of aviation?" I've snipped a little out of the beginning of the quote because it's IRRELEVANT to the reason I'm sharing this today:
For those who are still at Comair, I wish you the best. I withdrew my participation from the circus about three years ago. I miss flying professionally (though apparently not enough yet to get motivated enough to pursue other flying opportunities), but I don't miss the regional airline drama.
The thing I miss the most is the professionals I worked with. There's just nothing like being surrounded by people the caliber of the overwhelming majority of Comair's flight crewmembers, and many of the cabin crewmembers. Even the ramp agents, when they were Comair employees, were professional far beyond the norm for that position.
For those who are left without a chair when the music stops, and find themselves struggling with what to do next, I offer the following quote I originally posted in this thread in early August, 2008. I hope it communicates a different perspective than what you've heard from Comair management during the last seven years or so.
This quote was written to encourage people to look into opportunities they otherwise might not...business ownership being one of those opportunities. If I were re-writing this today, I'd probably de-emphasize that aspect a bit...largely due to the lack of quality businesses currently for sale due to the depressed economy, and a more challenging financing environment for new small business owners.
Still, there are employers out there who are desperate for people like yourselves, with the qualities you possess that transfer directly from the flight deck to the office desk.
Best wishes to everyone as you embark on your new future!
For context, this was written in response to a member here who asked "Any ideas on what someone can do with an aviation degree outside of aviation?" I've snipped a little out of the beginning of the quote because it's IRRELEVANT to the reason I'm sharing this today:
Don't focus on what you can't do, focus on what you can. Or to put it another way, argue for your limitations and they will become yours.
I fly with a lot of pilots who tell me "This is all I've ever done, I don't know how to do anything else." To them I say this:
As airline pilots, so many skills and abilities become so ingrained in our nature over time, we forget we have them. Let me remind you about some of the skills and abilities you have that you may not realize...
You have the ability to multitask.
You have the ability to follow complicated written procedures precisely.
You have the ability to work in a team environment.
You have the ability to evaluate situations and make good decisions based on the information you've collected.
You have demonstrated a level of high responsibility for a multi million dollar piece of equipment.
You have the ability to work under pressure.
You have the ability to remain professional when dealing with the public.
You have the ability to represent your employer in a positive manner when the customer's perception of your employer is poor.
You have the ability to lead when necessary, and follow when appropriate.
You can dress in a professional manner.
You understand what "professionalism" means...at least most of us.
You have a demonstrated ability to function at a high level of autonomy in a complex environment, yet the still know when to recognize and utilize help when it is required.
YOU HAVE A DEMONSTRATED ABILITY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
I put that in caps because it is critical in the business world. A wise Comair pilot once shared with me the following:
"One is paid commensurate with one's ability to solve problems."
These are some of the skills and abilities we use every day as airline pilots. As a business owner, I can tell you without reservation that these skills have value in the business world.
For those of us who are young, and starting out with a lot of debt, business ownership may not be an option at this point, but for those who are in a stronger financial position may benefit from looking at owning a business. There are headaches, to be sure, but there are rewards as well.
Early in my career as an airline pilot I used to ask "What kind of job does everyone do when they're not flying?" There's not a lot of good options for part time work with the profession we are employed in because of the schedules. Owning your own business gives you control of the schedule, and gives you the opportunity to work when you have time available.
For those who have an interest in owning a business, but don't really know where to start, check this out. Someday perhaps I'll be worthy of the PM function, and I'd be happy to answer questions for those who are interested in business ownership.
And no, I'm talking about real business ownership...not get rich quick, sign up with me and you'll be successful schemes. I have nothing to sell.
In summary...don't sell yourself short. Though Comair actively works to devalue the skills and abilities you bring to their operation, those skills have tremendous value nonetheless.
How many other employers out there can claim to have a workforce of 1477 scattered throughout the U.S. directly responsible to only eight supervisors?
You are an asset that has value outside the airline industry.
I fly with a lot of pilots who tell me "This is all I've ever done, I don't know how to do anything else." To them I say this:
As airline pilots, so many skills and abilities become so ingrained in our nature over time, we forget we have them. Let me remind you about some of the skills and abilities you have that you may not realize...
You have the ability to multitask.
You have the ability to follow complicated written procedures precisely.
You have the ability to work in a team environment.
You have the ability to evaluate situations and make good decisions based on the information you've collected.
You have demonstrated a level of high responsibility for a multi million dollar piece of equipment.
You have the ability to work under pressure.
You have the ability to remain professional when dealing with the public.
You have the ability to represent your employer in a positive manner when the customer's perception of your employer is poor.
You have the ability to lead when necessary, and follow when appropriate.
You can dress in a professional manner.
You understand what "professionalism" means...at least most of us.
You have a demonstrated ability to function at a high level of autonomy in a complex environment, yet the still know when to recognize and utilize help when it is required.
YOU HAVE A DEMONSTRATED ABILITY TO SOLVE PROBLEMS.
I put that in caps because it is critical in the business world. A wise Comair pilot once shared with me the following:
"One is paid commensurate with one's ability to solve problems."
These are some of the skills and abilities we use every day as airline pilots. As a business owner, I can tell you without reservation that these skills have value in the business world.
For those of us who are young, and starting out with a lot of debt, business ownership may not be an option at this point, but for those who are in a stronger financial position may benefit from looking at owning a business. There are headaches, to be sure, but there are rewards as well.
Early in my career as an airline pilot I used to ask "What kind of job does everyone do when they're not flying?" There's not a lot of good options for part time work with the profession we are employed in because of the schedules. Owning your own business gives you control of the schedule, and gives you the opportunity to work when you have time available.
For those who have an interest in owning a business, but don't really know where to start, check this out. Someday perhaps I'll be worthy of the PM function, and I'd be happy to answer questions for those who are interested in business ownership.
And no, I'm talking about real business ownership...not get rich quick, sign up with me and you'll be successful schemes. I have nothing to sell.
In summary...don't sell yourself short. Though Comair actively works to devalue the skills and abilities you bring to their operation, those skills have tremendous value nonetheless.
How many other employers out there can claim to have a workforce of 1477 scattered throughout the U.S. directly responsible to only eight supervisors?
You are an asset that has value outside the airline industry.
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