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08-07-2012, 05:06 AM
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Made a few corrections to your post. This was being said during the rj orgy of the last 10 years. Didn't see a whole lot of sympathy for the 1000's of furloughed mainline pilots during that time.
Nope, I stand by my post. Enough of you voted for your new contract knowing full well Repercussions MAJOR level. And now you say it stinks for DELTA, AA, NWA, UAL, CAL, etc, etc. Management dangles a big carrot in front of your face in the form of raises and more airplanes, and suddenly it's ok to screw over fellow pilots. Then you say, it wasn't us, it was management. If enough of you guys cared provisions could have been put into your contract that would have helped the entire industry, not just SUBCONTRACTOR pilots. And don't give me that crap that moving the flying to SUBCONTRACTORS because domestic can't possibly be flown profitably by mainline is good for everyone. While it may be in the long run, this is a terrible time to put people on the street. Why not wait until Delta is actually hiring before doing this to Comair?
08-07-2012, 05:14 AM
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Evilboy,
I know tons of guys in that group, a lot of them with families and kids, and in my opinion its just wrong to not do something. I did the math like you and for less then 1.1%, if Delta doesn't want to pay it, then I think the rest of the group should take a little less. All you guys were on property until a few months ago and I'd argue had it the worst among those on property the past 5 years being on reserve the whole time and furloughed in the past as well. Just my opinion...
I know tons of guys in that group, a lot of them with families and kids, and in my opinion its just wrong to not do something. I did the math like you and for less then 1.1%, if Delta doesn't want to pay it, then I think the rest of the group should take a little less. All you guys were on property until a few months ago and I'd argue had it the worst among those on property the past 5 years being on reserve the whole time and furloughed in the past as well. Just my opinion...
08-07-2012, 05:32 AM
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Evilboy,
I know tons of guys in that group, a lot of them with families and kids, and in my opinion its just wrong to not do something. I did the math like you and for less then 1.1%, if Delta doesn't want to pay it, then I think the rest of the group should take a little less. All you guys were on property until a few months ago and I'd argue had it the worst among those on property the past 5 years being on reserve the whole time and furloughed in the past as well. Just my opinion...
I know tons of guys in that group, a lot of them with families and kids, and in my opinion its just wrong to not do something. I did the math like you and for less then 1.1%, if Delta doesn't want to pay it, then I think the rest of the group should take a little less. All you guys were on property until a few months ago and I'd argue had it the worst among those on property the past 5 years being on reserve the whole time and furloughed in the past as well. Just my opinion...
Btw, I know each and everyone in that group and I truly feel for them. I landed ok, but know some of them didn't. And yes every single one of us never had a line (reserve for at least 5 years), and furloughed previously.
08-07-2012, 09:56 AM
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08-07-2012, 11:11 AM
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It is hard to believe that Delta wouldnt give anything to the furloughs after they included all furloughs in the buyouts earlier this year. They paid out about $5000 for each furlough who took the buyout and still included travel benefits. But now your saying Delta wouldn't negotiate on that? I wonder if the MEC wanted to exclude the furloughs to get the maximum payout for the rest. Not accusing just questioning.
Hearing that recent furloughs are not eligible, especially only 30, seems pretty hard to swallow. Things that make you say, "hmmm."
08-07-2012, 11:58 AM
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I see. Well if you feel eliminating 1300 outsourced DCI jobs, further tightening Alaska codeshare flying, tightening Codeshare/Joint Venture flying, maintaining max allowable outsourced seats at 76, reducing allowable outsourced turboprop flying, and establishing a min DCI to Mainline block hour ratio preventing DCI growth while Mainline shrinks is considered bad for the career then you should probably reevaluate whose head is buried in the sand.
I see two issues with Comair shutting down.
1st, if all the above proves to be true AND Delta starts hiring Then I would say the TA as painful as it is right now on Comair is at least going to do some good in the long run.
2nd is this whole debacle of 1st year pay. There are over 300 pilots with more than 20 years experience as an airline pilot who won't be able to go to another regional without starting over at year one.
Not that you and I will solve this problem, but can you think of any other industry that ties you to your company as bad as the airlines?
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08-07-2012, 04:48 PM
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Average hire date of Comair 70-seat Captain... January 1988 (24 years 9 months average seniority).
GoJetsss begins operations... October, 2005.
08-08-2012, 09:22 AM
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Is that any difterent then anyother industries in the USA that has shut its doors? Look at the textile business as the example. We outsource all the jobs overseas.
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